Lt. Commander
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Hello to everyone,
I recently reached the rank of Vice Admiral and finally could use the odyssey,however i feel that I could be doing better,with the right build,so here is my current build.

http://www.stoacademy.com/tools/skil...ild=OddyTac1_0

I think that I could switch the betwen DPS and tank by switching the officer on the universal console as I have an Engineer with:

EMPtS1,ET2,RSF2.

A few notes on my ship:
Aegis Set,5x Anti-Proton Beams(Mk X),1x Anti-Proton Dual Beam Bank(X),2xQuantum(1 Fore,1 Aft)(MkXI and X)
Consoles:
Tactical:
2xAntiproton Mag-Rgulator(X),
Eng:
RCS Accelerator(Mk XI),EPS Flow Regulator(MkX),Plasma Distribution Manifold(MkX),Antimatter Spread
Sci:
2xShield Emitters(X e XI),Field Generator(XI).

So any suggestions to change my build,BOFF,consoles,Skills so it could be more effective,I also would like something that could counter the borgs Tractor Beam(Polarize the hull at the moment) and the shield neutralizer(I know hazard team do this) beyond those skills i have cited.

PS:A doubt,the Reactive Shielding on the aegis,how much is that resistance? The usual 20%?


Thanks in Advance.
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# 2
02-21-2012, 01:46 PM
Did I do something wrong with the formating,no opinions yet.
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# 3
02-21-2012, 02:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kellar21
Hello to everyone,
I recently reached the rank of Vice Admiral and finally could use the odyssey,however i feel that I could be doing better,with the right build,so here is my current build.

http://www.stoacademy.com/tools/skil...ild=OddyTac1_0

I think that I could switch the betwen DPS and tank by switching the officer on the universal console as I have an Engineer with:

EMPtS1,ET2,RSF2.

A few notes on my ship:
Aegis Set,5x Anti-Proton Beams(Mk X),1x Anti-Proton Dual Beam Bank(X),2xQuantum(1 Fore,1 Aft)(MkXI and X)
Consoles:
Tactical:
2xAntiproton Mag-Rgulator(X),
Eng:
RCS Accelerator(Mk XI),EPS Flow Regulator(MkX),Plasma Distribution Manifold(MkX),Antimatter Spread
Sci:
2xShield Emitters(X e XI),Field Generator(XI).

So any suggestions to change my build,BOFF,consoles,Skills so it could be more effective,I also would like something that could counter the borgs Tractor Beam(Polarize the hull at the moment) and the shield neutralizer(I know hazard team do this) beyond those skills i have cited.

PS:A doubt,the Reactive Shielding on the aegis,how much is that resistance? The usual 20%?


Thanks in Advance.
I'll be honest.

The Odyssey is not a ship well suited to a tactical officer. It's simply too slow to be able to bring weapons to bare, making the dual beam bank option (as favoured on the Sovereign) far less effective. As with other slow turning cruisers like the Galaxy Retrofit and Star Cruiser, the bulk of your firepower lies primarily on your broadsides, making beam arrays the optimal choice. Unfortunately, being a tactical officer, you do not have the energy management skill of an engineer so the preferred choice of eight beam arrays (no torpedoes) is not really viable. This is the second reason the ship is ill-suited to your class.

Thirdly, I don't know what you've done with your bridge officer setup, but I would strongly advise against putting a tactical officer in to that Lieutenant Commander universal station, as you will lose far too much of the ship's (formidable) tanking ability to sustain yourself against even an average Escort build.

Also note that you cannot change out bridge officers in the midst of combat, so the notion that you could 'switch out' between DPS and Tank roles is largely academic, as any average build can steamroll non-STF PVE, and you will lack the flexibility to do much more than nip at heels in PVP. In Elite STFs... well, again, I'll be honest - You need an escort. You do your team no favours by flying this ship in its present form.

If you absolutely must fly this ship, accept that your palette of tactical options will be considerably more limited than what you would get in a Sovereign or Excelsior, and rely on your captain's own abilities (Fire on My Mark, Attack Pattern Alpha, Tactical Fleet and Go Down Fighting) to carry the battle, as your ship doesn't have the tactical depth to make it a viable alternative to the assault cruiser withou sacrificing significant staying power.

(If you think you can do without that Engineering/Science position, further consider that you are hampered by the fact that the Odyssey is slower than a three-toed-sloth on a rainy Sunday, so you can't exactly escape when things start to get hot. More likely, you'll be grabbed by a gravity well or tractor beam and punished accordingly.)

I'd suggest waiting until March when the C-Store version is released. By all means fly her now to get a feel for how it handles, but expect your build to change. The screenshots 'leaked' by CaptainGeko suggest strongly that the ship will see its Ensign Science station return to a Universal option, which combined with saucer separation may return some tactical viability to the ship. Until that time, she is almost exclusively best used by engineers.

A note on your equipment...

I notice you are using an RCS Accelerator console. Frankly, you are better off dropping it, as the bonus if confers to your turning stats is based on percentage rather than whole degrees. Thus, 35% of 5.5 degrees per second works out to be barely 1.9 degrees - meaning you haven't even matched the Sovereign on base turns. Learn to fly the ship without it, and consider an alternative that improves your shields or hull.

Conspicuously asbent is the Assimilated Borg Console. I wouldn't leave spacedock without that one, either.

On the Aegis set bonus... You should realise that the resistance bonus (5%, stackable several times) only applies to the hull, not your shields, which makes it a dangerous proc to rely on. The state of spike damage in this game right now is such that if you have lost your shields, there is very little you can do to save your ship this side of the Engineer class. You will explode faster than you thought possible. (A single critical hit might be all it takes....)

For this reason, I'd recommend playing a few STFs to get yourself the Borg Deflector and Borg Engine. Your turn rate will be better for it, and the hull and shield heal is far more valuable than the bonuses offered by the Aegis set. By all means, if you like the capacity of Covariant shields, then continue to use the Aegis shield until you can work up enough STF runs to get yourself the MACO MkXI or XII. You will not be disappointed.

Cheers...

-J


Quote:
Originally Posted by kellar21
Did I do something wrong with the formating,no opinions yet.
...And not at all. It just sometimes takes people time to reply.
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# 4
02-21-2012, 03:07 PM
Thanks for the reply Koppenflak,I began noting that,I was cosiderably more effective in combat with the Sovereign(1 tac console and the tac boff station),guess i was so excited to flying an odyssey I overlooked that.Maybe it was because the PvE enemies can barely scratch the 13,800 shields.

Quote:
I notice you are using an RCS Accelerator console. Frankly, you are better off dropping it, as the bonus if confers to your turning stats is based on percentage rather than whole degrees. Thus, 35% of 5.5 degrees per second works out to be barely 1.9 degrees - meaning you haven't even matched the Sovereign on base turns. Learn to fly the ship without it, and consider an alternative that improves your shields or hull.

Conspicuously asbent is the Assimilated Borg Console. I wouldn't leave spacedock without that one, either
Thanks for that advise I was already sonsidering swapping it for an Armor console,and I alrerady got the Assimilation console,hadn't done that mission yet(very good console btw).

Quote:
Thirdly, I don't know what you've done with your bridge officer setup, but I would strongly advise against putting a tactical officer in to that Lieutenant Commander universal station, as you will lose far too much of the ship's (formidable) tanking ability to sustain yourself against even an average Escort build.
OK i will keep the Eng then,any suggestions to the abilities iI should use then.

Now an important one should I go back to the Sovereign,get the Excelsior or swap to an Escort(Which I am heavily considering,if so,will I have to respec or that build is good enough.
As for the Aegis set
Didn't know about that it really gave the impression the shields became more effective with that.

Thanks for the reply it was very clarifying.
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# 5
02-21-2012, 03:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kellar21
Now an important one should I go back to the Sovereign,get the Excelsior or swap to an Escort(Which I am heavily considering,if so,will I have to respec or that build is good enough.
As for the Aegis set
Didn't know about that it really gave the impression the shields became more effective with that.

Thanks for the reply it was very clarifying.
There is a couple of resistances associated with the Aegis shield. One affects the shield, and one is a two-piece defensive bonus.

They are described here:
http://www.stowiki.org/Aegis_Technol...rch#Set_powers

So yes, the stacking resistance only has an effect on your hull. It does very little to protect your shields. Ultimately, the best thing about the Aegis shield is that it is 'levelless' so you may equip it the moment you hit Rear Admiral and keep it all the way until VA without really incurring any kind of penalty. Even discounting the set bonuses, it's still a respectable choice for cruisers purely due to its high capacity. My Engineer still uses it, and will continue to do so until I can be bothered grinding out the STFs to get the MACO shield.

As for your ship choice... Well, to be honest, I am in no position to tell you what ship you should, or should not be flying. It really is your decision, and I encourage you to fly the ship you enjoy. Don't let dogma and internet opinion ruin the game, as it ultimately depends on what you want to do.

If you want to be competitive in PVP, then certainly you want to remain on the cutting edge of the status quo, which might mean making sacrifices in what you 'enjoy'. To that end I can advise you on the 'best' matches for your specific career class, but if you're here for casual PVE and Normal-difficulty STFs, then by all means - fly the ship you like the most.

If your question is more generally directed as to what I believe suits me as a tactical officer, then I can give you several answers. For a start, I don't fly just one ship. I've always loved the Sovereign, and for casual PVE and friendly PVP, that is the ship I will fly. Many will tell you the Excelsior is the better ship for Tactical officers due to its Lieutenant Commander tactical station, but for my part... I simply enjoy the Sovereign more, and find more utility in the second Ensign tactical power.

If I'm playing competitive PVP or feel the need to 'express myself' to the Klingons in Kerrat, I'll fly a Fleet Escort as she benefits from a second engineering station.

If I'm playing Elite STFs, then I'll swap to a Defiant, because the concept of 'survival' tends to be secondary to outright damage, and the 'glass' in her cannon isn't as bad when practically every ship is being one-shotted by Tactical Cubes anyway.

Used to be that I flew a MVAM Prometheus as well, and I still have the ship. Ultimately, the only reason I don't use it more is that I came to the realisation that I only flew escorts when I was doing things that required serious amounts of firepower, and the Prommie comes out as a better option for Science officers than Tacs.

I hope that helps.
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# 6
02-21-2012, 04:53 PM
Well ,

One of the motives I created this thread was because I wanted to refine my build and ship to STFs,maybe Elite,(mainly for the MACO and Omega sets),I really thought that I could still use the oddy,but It appears I will have to leave her to FEs and maybe fleet actions,so any advice of having her on peak efficiency(I will put an Armor console and already installed the Borg console) and if you could point the way to a good Escort(don't worry I also like Sisko's adventures in the Defiant )build I would be grateful.Was considering the MVAM when I saw that Tac Lt.Cmdr and Cloak on the Defiant,but I think the same as you, everyone should fly the ship they enjoy, it's a game and you are supposed to have fun after all.

Thanks
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