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Lt. Commander
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I mean i don't say alot of ships are OP sure there is a few advantages in some ships over others but seriously 5 Eng Console Slots ? What did you guys smoke when you came up with that because i want some too. I guess it will take a 3 man team now to get 1 cruiser down if skilled and played right and you better have a science with you.

I can see Era taking 5 man pugs appart without any support in a cruiser like that. That is a joke and Cryptic you made every other Cruiser we paid money for useless compared to this uber Cruiser.

Oh and btw. Where is my Escort with 6 Tactical Console Slots ?
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# 2
03-14-2012, 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Stegi
Oh and btw. Where is my Escort with 6 Tactical Console Slots ?
Just wait till next month when a new escort or sci vessel comes out that will invalidate all other escorts/sci vessels that have been bought and paid for.

We said it with the Rhode Island, "it's a slippery slope and before we know it bam, selling T5 +1's in the c-store".
"Nooooooo", the apologists and devs said. "There are no plans to do T5 +1's".


Look where we are now.
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# 3
03-14-2012, 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Dan_Trainor
Just wait till next month when a new escort or sci vessel comes out that will invalidate all other escorts/sci vessels that have been bought and paid for.

We said it with the Rhode Island, "it's a slippery slope and before we know it bam, selling T5 +1's in the c-store".
"Nooooooo", the apologists and devs said. "There are no plans to do T5 +1's".


Look where we are now.
Yeah you are absolutely right and it ticks me off quiet a bit. It makes me feel the pain for every ship i have and paid cryptic points for it. All those Cruiser right now become virtually useless. But then right now i don't do pvp anyway since the great still not fixed Jem Hadar Shield.

I really need Diablo III to come out so i can get away from this...
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# 4
03-14-2012, 10:46 AM
To be perfectly honest, having 5 engi slots is not as OP as you would think considering that to get the most benefit you need to sacrifice 3 of your total consoles... In fact during testing I had a hard time justifying equipping all 3 special consoles since it nerfs so many of my console slots...

I think the real problem is with the Sensor Analysis on the sci version. Sub-System Targetting would be FAR less OP.
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# 5
03-19-2012, 06:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Dan_Trainor
Just wait till next month when a new escort or sci vessel comes out that will invalidate all other escorts/sci vessels that have been bought and paid for.

We said it with the Rhode Island, "it's a slippery slope and before we know it bam, selling T5 +1's in the c-store".
"Nooooooo", the apologists and devs said. "There are no plans to do T5 +1's".


Look where we are now.
1) These are not +1 ships. The Devs have said so.
2) The Rhode Island is not overpowered for its tier, even as +1. The Devs have said so.

So we have no reason to complain, really.

To be honest, I don't really know why the Devs cannot come out and say: "Yes, the Odyssey is a +1 Tier 5 Cruiser. Deal with it." I find their current statements either dishonest or misguided. Neither reflects well on them. The best case scenario is they think more consoles, universal slots and more hull and shields and sensor analysis don't affect balance and can be compensated by a lower turn rate. But then a whole set of different ships don't make sense.

The Excelsior must actually be more powerful than the Sovereign with that mindset, since it does have a higher turn rate, and turn rate can compensate, hull, shields, console slots, universal slots? All Klingon Cruisers must be significantly overpowered in turn, as they have a significantly higher turn rate plus a cloak.

It just doesn't make sense.
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# 6
03-19-2012, 04:36 PM
They made the game F2P but still depend on regular Income...

Ships will not stop being designed for more of it periodically.

I suppose the better approach could have been adding some more levels beyond VA and made these ship available at that level to be have an appropriate balance...

However, this is not a PVP game..it is a PVE game even if there are many here that eat drink and breath PVP...we are still a minority...

So the bigger income from these ships comes from the Ongoing PVE play and those that enjoy it...Cryptic is churning up new ships so people can replay the same missions a bit different and add some income to the Business that STO is after all right?

All working as intended, move along, nothing else to see.
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# 7
03-14-2012, 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Stegi
Oh and btw. Where is my Escort with 6 Tactical Console Slots ?
You mean 6 forward weapon slots...and APA console!
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# 8
03-14-2012, 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Stegi
I mean i don't say alot of ships are OP sure there is a few advantages in some ships over others but seriously 5 Eng Console Slots ? What did you guys smoke when you came up with that because i want some too. I guess it will take a 3 man team now to get 1 cruiser down if skilled and played right and you better have a science with you.

I can see Era taking 5 man pugs appart without any support in a cruiser like that. That is a joke and Cryptic you made every other Cruiser we paid money for useless compared to this uber Cruiser.

Oh and btw. Where is my Escort with 6 Tactical Console Slots ?
Honestly, I think Era would fly the Sci variant with 4 Engi Consoles and 4 Sci Consoles. But that is my opinion, and I don't know him personally to be able to make such an accurate assumption properly.
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# 9
03-14-2012, 12:47 PM
If sensor analysis stays, the sci one will probably be the only one really worth flying, imo.
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# 10
03-14-2012, 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Dan_Trainor
If sensor analysis stays, the sci one will probably be the only one really worth flying, imo.
Yeah fly that thing with a tac, tetryon glider and set bonus there is not much left what would stand a chance...
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