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# 1 P2W clean bill of health
05-23-2012, 05:37 AM
All this P2W whining is starting to get to me... and this is why:

P2W is bad, because it allows players with lots of RL money to be stronger. right?
P2W stuff is bought with c-points. right?
C-points can be bought with Dilithium, wich can be grinded by playing. right?

So then what's the problem? You can get the stuff without spending a $. Sure, those that want to spend $ gets it a little faster, but as long as it's not a new, even more OP, item every week, it doesn't really matter. The current c-store stuff has been there long enough to be grinded through Dilithium long ago.

And yes, those c-points were paid for by someone. Someone who could afford to pay cash for Dili. And so what? Cryptic makes their profit, and the equipment is available to everyone. This is not unfair.

(On a seperate note: Some of those c-store things are OP, and some are just annoying, but they are NOT P2W. Stupid, inbalanced and cheesy, but not pay2win)
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# 2
05-23-2012, 06:04 AM
Do you really want the good fleets to start using AMS/GravPulse/... en masse?
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# 3
05-23-2012, 06:09 AM
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Originally Posted by mancom
Do you really want the good fleets to start using AMS/GravPulse/... en masse?
I can just imagine the rage
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# 4
05-23-2012, 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by naz1911 View Post
I can just imagine the rage
wait dont u have every lockbox and c store ship in the game? yeah, you do. so u fly your dkora andjem ship, and ill wipe your whoile team in one volley of iso. fair deal? too bad thats the way it is now.
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# 5
05-23-2012, 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by mancom
Do you really want the good fleets to start using AMS/GravPulse/... en masse?
Well, since I am plying exclusively P-U-G, it wouldn't matter. It may even make the horrible 0-15 against premades last shorter...

As for all the "less than good" premades out there, they already are using these consoles.


but I guess my biggest grief, is that I have a lot of these consoles, and they havent cost me a single $... They are my payment for months and years of grinding. And I'm afraid to use them, because people will accuse me of winning by $$$ rather than skill (EDIT: IF I should be so lucky as to win, that is) How can I be paying to win without spending any money?

Like if it's not bad enough that cryptic took my mountain of emblems etc and made it into a pile of useless dilithium... that I exchanged for a handfull of c-points... but what I bought for those c-points I can't use, except against PvE, where it's not needed anyway :p

And yes, if people are using them, and a Gozer incognito queues up for a match, he MAY see the error of their ways.
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# 6
05-23-2012, 08:49 AM
Dalate.. nathing to see here.
My bad.
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# 7
05-23-2012, 09:32 AM
P2w is just a title. The issue isn't whether you payed RL money for these item or if you grinded for them. The issue is that most of them are way out of balance. If someone is using the stupid p2w console that comes off the sci ship that gives you a boost to aux and shields at the same time, no one would care because it's a waste of a console slot for something that is either balanced or underpowered. The issue is these powers that are arguably commander level powerful or better at the cost of a console slot. To top it off, some of the abilities like AMS is STILL broke after they promised us that it was fixed. I had a AMSx3 stacked on me the other night.
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# 8
05-23-2012, 09:34 AM
agreed gloves off, not like premades fly oddys and lockbox ships to beginn with anyways. I m sick n tired of double standards and people holding back. If we want a fun fight, we can agree on rules like it happens before almost every match anyways.

12th fleet deathmatch wasn't to bad and it was clearly marked as gloves off.
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# 9
05-23-2012, 10:08 AM
Buying CPs with Dilithium should be not allowed anymore.

Its encourage mindless grinding and disencourage other types of play, like PvP...

and yes, you can do the dailies, but most people who plays for dilithium plays only STFs, since you can do them almost everytime.

so basically, as per my vision, Foundry and PvP are less encouraged to play, helping them to die even more.
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# 10
05-23-2012, 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by mmaavvaahh
agreed gloves off, not like premades fly oddys and lockbox ships to beginn with anyways. I m sick n tired of double standards and people holding back. If we want a fun fight, we can agree on rules like it happens before almost every match anyways.

12th fleet deathmatch wasn't to bad and it was clearly marked as gloves off.
99% of my PVPs are with PUGs. And when I go against a premade, they use AMS, GP and the more annoying: lockboxes OP ships.

I use a Science Ship (yes, I am crazy) and I prefer to fight a fleet with AMS than a fleet of PTW ships! At least AMS goes away with Science Team.

So, don’t give me the “we have honor” speech when you use a PTW ship.. worst, a lockbox ship (that make my stomach sick).
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