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As my sig now alludes to, I'm looking for reasons into why the 22nd / 23rd centuries get so little late-game in-space love, and to (possibly resurrect/rehash) propose a potential solution.

In the "ground game", there isn't a problem for us "23rd century" fans. Right now, my main Fed has a full WoK setup, and my backup Fed is ToS. My main Klink has both a ST VI-inspired getup (along with his BOffs), and a ToS outfit (and plans for my Klink alt's BOffs to be so attired too). Yes, I am firmly a representative of the "minority" of TOS/TMP/Enterprise era fans in STO. And, there is Enterprise-Era costumes in the C-store, both primary-history and mirror.

While I had fun for the week or 2 that I could fly the lower-tiered Miranda, 60s Connie, and TMP Connie, I am slightly annoyed that I can pick from TNG-era retrofits for my VA-level ships, but can't get the earlier designs in late game. Therefore (and apologies for any theft), my proposal:

Much like the "TNG" era is split over the three classes (TNG = Cruiser, Voy = Sci, DS9 = Escort), I seek an ENT, TOS, and TMP entry over the three classes. One (and only one) has been provided already, Excelsior (TMP) in the Cruiser class. Therefore, I'm looking for a 22nd/23rd century based Science ship and an Escort, trying to represent TOS and ENT.

For the Science ship, I propose the Constitution Class (Retrofit) - taking the Connie Refit from tier 2 and decking it out in full Science regalia (enhanced shields, medium hull, subsystem targetting), it accurately reflects both the original size (slots in nicely in the bigger-than-escort and smaller-than-cruiser lengths) and multi-role design. It also artfully "skirts" CBS's desire to not have a "direct" 60's representative in late game but still gives us something that is close enough to the TOS ship to count as the TOS late-game representative. To differentiate the specs of this from the Intrepid-R, give it a 4-3-2 Sci/Tac/Eng console layout, but give it a Cmdr / Lt Cmdr Sci, Lt / Ens Eng, and Lt Tac BOff spread (vs. 3 Sci BOffs and Lt Tac/Eng). For the "special power console", give it a longer duration (or quicker cooldown) PD console that doesn't hit frigates.

For the Escort and Enterprise representative, I propose a resized Akira variant. Whether it's "inspired" by the classic Enterprise-era looks, or it's the "TNG Akira" with inverted (NX-style) warp nacelles, it gets Enterprise's ship design (shape) into late game. It would also be (as far as I can tell) the only Fed Escort with anything that resembles the "classic" Fed saucer shape. Again, a console tweak and oddball BOff setup - I'm thinking make it Science heavy (4-3-2) on the consoles, and maybe rip off the 4 BOff 12 power (Cmdr & Lt Cmdr Tac/ Lt Cmdr Sci / Lt Eng vs 2 Tac / 2Sci / 1Eng BOff) pattern to separate it from the Defiant-R, and a respec of the Ferengi rocket launcher to reflect the NX's pre-photonic loadout as it's special console/power.

This gets both the "ignored older" series into late-game consideration, along with completing the "one show per class" pattern established for "early era" along with "TNG era". It also tries to avoid the "canon"/storyline problems already presented (up till now, one reason there is no Connie-Retrofit is that the Connie is "too small" to hold the late-game 4/4 cruiser loadout) and other (CBS hate of the 60s) problems.
Lt. Commander
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# 2
05-23-2012, 11:45 PM
The Vulcan science ship is canon for All three Era's
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# 3
05-24-2012, 01:26 AM
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Originally Posted by sollvax
The Vulcan science ship is canon for All three Era's
I was considering getting the D'Kyr for the retro feel. And because it's exclusive.
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# 4
05-24-2012, 01:30 AM
An exceptional ship

The support craft launch is beautifully animated
She turns well and can hold her own at VA level (my @handle character flys in one)
The support ship is useable for shuttle missions and handles well as well.

Still not a Galaxy class or a Bird of Prey , but if you are Vulcan its the ideal ship
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# 5
05-24-2012, 01:38 AM
Glad to know she flies well. I'll consider it if I ever needed a larger scientific cruiser type vessel. (I'm doing fine with fast attack RSV now.)
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# 6
05-24-2012, 03:17 AM
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Originally Posted by sollvax
An exceptional ship

The support craft launch is beautifully animated
She turns well and can hold her own at VA level (my @handle character flys in one)
The support ship is useable for shuttle missions and handles well as well.

Still not a Galaxy class or a Bird of Prey , but if you are Vulcan its the ideal ship
A little confused here, isn't the Vulcan ship a T5 putting it on equal footing with the other T5 ships?
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# 7
05-24-2012, 07:09 AM
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Originally Posted by sollvax
The Vulcan science ship is canon for All three Era's
How? I don't recall seeing it in original-run TOS. (Actually, the only "starship" I recall from original-run TOS is the 60's Connie, and I'll re-justify my argument over it's "replacement" later this post).

Granted, if Enterprise (the show) used the VSS, then that can be justiifcation as it being an ENT era representative (and therefore filling the Science slot of the "one early-era ship per class" goal). Which would leave us still needing both a TOS-representative and an Escort...

Now, as to the whole 60's era Connie history that I'm "working around". Way back in the days of Starfleet Command, we heard directly from a Paramount representative their "ship design policy": Even though SFC was based off the TOS-dated Starfleet Battles "alternate universe", Paramount believed/decreed that the TMP era was "more recognizable" and therefore was the "standard" for (at least back then, and nothing has changed to illustrate otherwise) all possible video games. That, and there was an attempt to "match" all starships of a given "era" with every other video game released, the Klingon, Romulan, and Gorn factions were "forced" into using Klingon Academy designs for a portion of their fleets to "promote cross-game ship recognition", and all "new" designs had to match up with those concepts - since there was no small-ship Gorn in KA, the "new" design had to be based off the KA design concepts.

Back to the goal of this request, one representative ship from each "early" show (ENT, TOS, TMP), spread out, like the TNG shows, in each class (Escort, Sci, Cruiser). TMP & Cruiser filled with Excelsior. Your proposal has ENT filling Science with the VSS. That would leave us shoehorning the TMP (as TOS replacement) Connie into the Escort slot. While a (to me, personally, accepted only grudgingly) compromise, it just doesn't "feel" right. Especially since we still have the "Akira-prise" NX design as an option from ENT. IIRC, the Akira was "conceived" to be a TNG saucer-nacelle based "warship" (aka Escort role) for use in Borg/Dominion battles. Especially at ENT dimensions, it's much closer to the "current" escort sizes than any other not already an escort "canon" ship (outside of TMP's Miranda and Oberth). Connie Retro as Science fits the TOS "multi-role" vessel's design better than shoehorning it as a warship. Push comes to shove, using the "original" TNG Akira parts in an NX configuration (ie, flip the nacelles from being "above" the saucer's plan to "below" it) would (again, to me at least) be a "barely" acceptable compromise to getting the NX into end-game STO. Accepting the Excelsior as the "purposely designed for TMP era 'star'", since Connie-refit was specifically designed as an update to a 60's ship, we "finally" get an end-game worthy "star" ship from each series.

Yes, I want to be able to have my crews dress in "era appropriate" clothing flying an "era appropriate" ship. My (soon to be created) Tac could wear Archer's uniforms in an Akira, S'Leth could "trade" over to TOS unis in a Science Connie, and Julin would grab the Kahn unis for his Excelsior, while the TNG fans are tooling around in TNG/DS9/Voy (which is a reprise of TNG-movie and DS9 unis anyway) uniforms and ships. Perfect for all fans of whatever canon show they prefer...
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# 8
05-24-2012, 07:24 AM
You put forward a good argument, however I can tell you now that it will come to nothing. CBS have unfortunately already said no to us ever having a higher tier Constitution class starship. No matter how logical your argument is, it won't happen. You can say that the D'Kyr is a hundred years OLDER than the Original Series Constitution but it just gets brushed aside (because it's more "modern" looking). I agree with what your saying, I've got the Excelsior and love it but would far prefer a TMP Connie with the gatling phaser banks... merge it with the seeking photon torp module from the Exeter and B'Rel retrofit could have some real fun PvP "lock on that explosion and fire!"

EDIT: If there were ever a higher tier Connie though, I would propose that the Gatling phaser bank perhaps be the "+1" module, like the retro phasers from the TOS Connie. Also could put it down as Tier 4 instead of Tier 5. Therefore it matches canon by not being quite so powerful as the Excelsior which was cutting edge at the time.
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# 9
05-24-2012, 07:55 AM
Yes the Vulcan ship appeared in Enterprise
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# 10
05-24-2012, 08:01 AM
So maybe at least an event for older ships only? You know - Miranda, Constitution, D7/K'tinga, Bird of Prey...
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