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Captain
Join Date: Jun 2012
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Devs,


Please consider the following changes to improve the game's 'trek' feel and enhance starship combat experience.


1- Reduce the damage output of weapons by half.

2- Increase the regeneration rate of shields by 2x the current rate. (shield stats)

3- Reduce the performance multiplier of boff abilities and capt. abilities by half.

4- Reduce speed of all ships by half.

5- Remove 'full impulse' speed setting from the game. - Have 'evasive maneuvers' be the speed burst ability for all ships and have evasive maneuvers drain all power from weapons and aux (not shields or engine) and put it into engine itself.

6- Reduce the number of 'mk' equipment performance so that there is for once a visible performance gap between equipment types. For example, rather than having Mk1 to Mk12 have only Mk 1, Mk 4, Mk 8 and Mk12. See #8 for what replaces the Mk's in between these.

(no, this isn't crazy talk... now you'll see why)

7- Increase the effect of power settings on weapons/speed/etc by 4x. This will make power setting management the KEY to starship combat. Its trek-like and it makes combat tremendously more fun.

8- Add 'flavor' versions of equipment in between the Mk equipment. For example, Mk 2 and 3 equipment will have the same primary function stats as the Mk1 except they will have the equipment's secondary and tertiary function greatly enhanced. A good example would be a Disruptor weapon. Mk1 will do say 100 damage. Mk2 will be 100 damage but have a very high chance (10% chance) of proc for the secondary effect (10% resist debuff). Mk3 will do 100 damage and have the same Mk1 2.5% chance to proc but the disable buff is greatly increased (to 20%). Mk3 will have the same Base Mk1 stats except the debuff effect lasts twice as long. The Mk4 will jump up in damage to 200 and so on and on.

9- Increase the penalty to turn rate based on ship's speed setting.

These changes will do several things:

It will remove the current dps-centric , in-your-face-blasting type of starship combat and replace it with a trek-like combat environment. Captains will be changing their power levels constantly as the situation requires and since the benefits of said power level increases would be greatly increased from current levels it will allow the ROLE and NICHE of each ship class to truly shine.

It will replace the 'all gear is crap except STF & Mk10 and above' reality as equipment performance will for once be truly different from the Mk above/below it. For once, people might choose to equip a Mk12 regenerative shield with x2 or x3 regen stat rather than a Maco shield because the effect of the regen stat when used with the 4x shield regen bonus from full shield power level would be much more beneficial to some ships than the special bonuses from the Maco shield.

The change in speeds changes the 'visibility' and 'immersion' of combat from a rush-by-shooter (arcade style) that it currently is to a more trek-like visual combat...and enables tactical shield-facing and maneuvering tactics to come into play. In short, it would be similar to how the Tier 1 ships fly and fight (which -IS- very trek-like in my opinion and its in the later tiers that ships become stupidly fast and arcade-ish).
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Last edited by cmdrskyfaller; 07-08-2012 at 03:58 AM.
Lt. Commander
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# 2
07-08-2012, 06:26 AM
WOW!, VERY interesting!, i can not say that you have my vote right away, but this is a wonderful post, i am pretty sure that a lot can be done if the devs take a look at it.
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# 3
07-08-2012, 08:32 AM
So you want it to be more like the Starfleet Command series?
If ARC becomes mandatory, I'll never buy ZEN again.
Commander
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# 4
07-08-2012, 08:57 AM
Sooooo, you want to have the devs stop what they are doing with seasons 6 and 7, completely overhaul the entire space combat system, edit every weapon, every ship, and not to mention remove aspects of the system that people use to get places quickly on a system map. i have to say, there is a better chance of you being assimilated by RL borg than this ever happening.

oh and imagine an odyssey or dreadnaught flying at full speed with your proposed changes. Their turn rate is already that of lunar orbit....

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Last edited by daiouvegeta2; 07-08-2012 at 09:00 AM.
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# 5
07-08-2012, 01:03 PM
I'll have to agree with the previous poster in the sense that I do not see such a major overhaul happening soon either. What we have now works well enough, even if it is not a 1:1 copy of the series...
If ARC becomes mandatory, I'll never buy ZEN again.
Commander
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# 6
07-08-2012, 05:43 PM
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It will remove the current dps-centric , in-your-face-blasting type of starship combat and replace it with a trek-like combat environment.
You need to rethink the maths, if that's your goal, especially for PvE & STFs.

STFs are largely excercises in wearing down a huge target with huge HP as soon as possible. Your changes to the DPS and subsystem energy mechanic have actually increased the damage a weapon will do at 125 power, unbuffed.

(This model excludes skill points, cos you've not touched them)
Under the current system, weapons do their indicated damage at 50 weapons power, ex buffs, and does double their indicated damage at 100 weapon power.

So a DHC with 500 DPS will do that 500 DPS at 50, 1000 DPS at 100 weapon power (200% of displayed), and 1250 at 125 weapons power (250% of displayed). So each 1 point of weapons power changes it by 2%. You make that 4x as effective, and each 1 point of weapons power will change the DPS by 8%. Now okay, the same DHC will now only do 250 DPS at 50 weap. power, cos you've halved it. But crank it up to 125, and that DHC now does 1750 DPS (900% of displayed), unbuffed.

Incidentally, weapons would do 0 damage from a power setting of 37 or lower. So energy drain is now absurdly OP.

And you've increased regen-rates, not changed resistances, and not changed HP for shields, so they get this with no sacrifice in resilience. And actually, since they now have more unbuffed DPS to play with, they could sacrifice maybe 10 weapon power, put it into shields and get 4x the benefit that they'd get now.

I know you've halved the effectiveness of BOff powers, which will take a big chunk out of spike damage, but, against large targets in STFs that don't die to one Alpha strike (or even 3 or 4) and require sustained damage, DPS builds are still going to be king.

Where it would have a huge effect is on PvP, but possibly too far in the other direction. Atm, shield regeneration is upped by 4% for every point above 50 (again excluding skills, buffs etc), which'd turn into 16% on your model. That, coupled with you already doubling the regen rate, means you could have six times (I think) as much shield regen at 100 power as you can have now. Now, I know shield regen only procs every 6 seconds and as such is not relevent in PvP currently, but shield power also effects your ships damage resist, which will protect you from an Alpha strike. Although I don't have stats for that, so I can't crunch the maths. Some people with more PvP experience than me might be able to provide a more educated comment.

tl;dr, multiplying the effectiveness of subsystem power levels by 4 would be ridiculous. You'd probably have to rescale them seperately from each other and rethink their effects.

But honestly, if there was ever going to be such a change to space combat as the one you've suggested, skills, NPC abilities, BOff abilities, ship stats, would all have to be fundementally rebuilt and rebalanced. That's half of the gameplay in its entireity being redesigned. Not likely to happen.

Also, I don't think the space combat is actually that bad itself. I find the biggest problem is that the NPCs are dumb, damage sponges.

Last edited by skhc; 07-08-2012 at 05:53 PM.
Captain
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# 7
07-09-2012, 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by daiouvegeta2 View Post
Sooooo, you want to have the devs stop what they are doing with seasons 6 and 7, completely overhaul the entire space combat system, edit every weapon, every ship, and not to mention remove aspects of the system that people use to get places quickly on a system map. i have to say, there is a better chance of you being assimilated by RL borg than this ever happening.

oh and imagine an odyssey or dreadnaught flying at full speed with your proposed changes. Their turn rate is already that of lunar orbit....
Most of what the OP proposes is pure numbers, which can be changed around in a spreadsheet, usually "en masse". The Full Impulse suggestion I both agree/disagree with, in the sense that NOT having the ability will make it alot slower to complete random PVE missions. Can't allow "in-system warp" since there's no warping while in a solarsystem.

The Mk I-XII suggestion, should be reduced in half imho. Nobody really gears their ships in Mk I, Mk III, Mk V, Mk VII or Mk IX gear. Everyone tends to go for the better even-numbered equipment. A better suggestion, may be to remove all gear between Mk I and Mk X, and simply make the weapons/gear "scale with level". Gear you obtain via mission rewards may still be superior to your scaled item, but again, would scale as you level up.

I agree wholeheartedly on the suggestions to "half all damage" in the game and "increase shield regeneration". Sure it's nice to crit for 20k+ on a Beam Overload, but it's not really Trek. Trek battles tend to be rather lengthy as long as shields are in place, whereby most battles end in either a surrender or retreat. Neither of which is possible in STO.
Ensign
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# 8
07-09-2012, 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by meurik View Post
Trek battles tend to be rather lengthy as long as shields are in place, whereby most battles end in either a surrender or retreat. Neither of which is possible in STO.
Trek battles don't tend to have much in the way of active healing powers, very much unlike STO
Lt. Commander
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# 9
07-09-2012, 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by cmdrskyfaller View Post



7- Increase the effect of power settings on weapons/speed/etc by 4x. This will make power setting management the KEY to starship combat. Its trek-like and it makes combat tremendously more fun.



Is already the Key dude, if you are not having a key bind for each power set up you are doing very wrong, furthermore power management is constantly changing during combat is because EPS consoles are so usefull.
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Career Officer
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# 10
07-09-2012, 12:02 PM
I disagree with the op I think to make combat better we need to be able to travel in 360 direction.
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