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# 1 Excelsior stealth Buff?
07-17-2012, 02:17 AM
I noticed tonight that on my excelsior refit i have 58,746 hull, I noticed at least one other Excelsior refit with the same amount of hull. We both had Structrual integrity maxed, out, and I was running the full borg set.

This is the first time I have ever seen a ship with so much hull. I actually spent some time in Sol System looking for an Odessy that had more hull to no avail. The highest Oddy hull I saw wsa 57.9k with most sitting at 57.5k hull.

So I have to ask the community, did the excell get a stealth buff to Hull?
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# 2
07-17-2012, 02:24 AM
Yep, it got buff to its base health. It has more hps than Galaxy....
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# 3
07-17-2012, 02:35 AM
it has more then the odyssey now, 44200. no fleet version with a 10th console, so this is a bone throne at it. hilarious really.
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# 4
07-17-2012, 04:11 AM
Excelsior king of DPS cruisers 4 ever
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# 5
07-17-2012, 04:47 AM
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Excelsior king of DPS cruisers 4 ever
I'd contend that's probably the Vor'cha now, and Fleet Vor'cha once those start becoming saturated.
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# 6
07-17-2012, 05:20 AM
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Originally Posted by gremlin View Post
I noticed tonight that on my excelsior refit i have 58,746 hull, I noticed at least one other Excelsior refit with the same amount of hull. We both had Structrual integrity maxed, out, and I was running the full borg set.

This is the first time I have ever seen a ship with so much hull. I actually spent some time in Sol System looking for an Odessy that had more hull to no avail. The highest Oddy hull I saw wsa 57.9k with most sitting at 57.5k hull.

So I have to ask the community, did the excell get a stealth buff to Hull?
RETROfit. God I am tired of people confusing these two things. A refit is the difference between Enterprise TOS and Enterprise A. A RETROfit is gutting a hull and rebuilding it from the inside.
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# 7
07-17-2012, 05:30 AM
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RETROfit. God I am tired of people confusing these two things. A refit is the difference between Enterprise TOS and Enterprise A. A RETROfit is gutting a hull and rebuilding it from the inside.
Funny thing is... Your example of "the difference between Enterprise TOS and Enterprise A", matches perfectly for what you define as a RETROfit. The TOS Enterprise and the TMP Enterprise (1st, 2nd and 3rd movies) was in fact the SAME ship. The TOS Enterprise underwent a 2-year refit process, which essentially made it look and feel like a new ship, but it was still the original.

In reality, a REfit and a RETROfit is the same thing. Just so happens that Cryptic decided to use 2 separate terms, to make it seem different.

In regards to the Excelsior, it's wholly wrong for it to have more hull hitpoints than ANY of the 24th/25th Century ships. The Lakota refit of the Excelsior Class might conceivably have higher hull value compared to the standard Excelsior. But that would be a marginal increase, certainly not superior to the Ambassador, Galaxy or Sovereign Class. Much less, the Odyssey.

TL;DR: Galaxy Class is still the ****tiest T5 Cruiser in the game.
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# 8
07-17-2012, 08:34 AM
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Funny thing is... Your example of "the difference between Enterprise TOS and Enterprise A", matches perfectly for what you define as a RETROfit. The TOS Enterprise and the TMP Enterprise (1st, 2nd and 3rd movies) was in fact the SAME ship. The TOS Enterprise underwent a 2-year refit process, which essentially made it look and feel like a new ship, but it was still the original.

In reality, a REfit and a RETROfit is the same thing. Just so happens that Cryptic decided to use 2 separate terms, to make it seem different.

In regards to the Excelsior, it's wholly wrong for it to have more hull hitpoints than ANY of the 24th/25th Century ships. The Lakota refit of the Excelsior Class might conceivably have higher hull value compared to the standard Excelsior. But that would be a marginal increase, certainly not superior to the Ambassador, Galaxy or Sovereign Class. Much less, the Odyssey.

TL;DR: Galaxy Class is still the ****tiest T5 Cruiser in the game.
Not quite true...he said they gutted it out...the TOS Enterprise refitted to the TMP Enterprise was more than a gutting...the whole ship might as well of been a new one...they changed the outside as well as the inside.
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# 9
07-17-2012, 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by meurik View Post
Funny thing is... Your example of "the difference between Enterprise TOS and Enterprise A", matches perfectly for what you define as a RETROfit. The TOS Enterprise and the TMP Enterprise (1st, 2nd and 3rd movies) was in fact the SAME ship. The TOS Enterprise underwent a 2-year refit process, which essentially made it look and feel like a new ship, but it was still the original.

In reality, a REfit and a RETROfit is the same thing. Just so happens that Cryptic decided to use 2 separate terms, to make it seem different.
You are on the right track. The Enterprise Refit was really a Retrofit. But Retrofit does not mean the same as Refit.

When you refit a ship you replace the worn out hardware with new items of the same type, IE you replace an engine with a new copy of the same engine. While a retrofit means to take an old ship and replace that engine with a totally new make of engine. Normally you don't say a ship is a retrofit, rather you say something was retrofitted to the ship; eg: "the USS Decatur DD-936 was retrofitted with the Terrier missile and became DDG-31". A ship that has undergone the retrofit of say a weapon is said to have been converted (if it changes what type of role the ship plays), "the USS Decatur was converted from Destroyer to Guided Missile Destroyer".

In the rebuilding of the Enterprise for ST:TMP she was retrofitted with new engines and weapons and converted in to a new class of cruiser. While every time she stopped at a Starbase for repairs was a refit.
My Romulan Liberated Borg character made it to Level 30 and beat the (old) Defense of New Romulus with the skill point bug.
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# 10
07-17-2012, 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by gremlin View Post
I noticed tonight that on my excelsior refit i have 58,746 hull, I noticed at least one other Excelsior refit with the same amount of hull. We both had Structrual integrity maxed, out, and I was running the full borg set.

This is the first time I have ever seen a ship with so much hull. I actually spent some time in Sol System looking for an Odessy that had more hull to no avail. The highest Oddy hull I saw wsa 57.9k with most sitting at 57.5k hull.

So I have to ask the community, did the excell get a stealth buff to Hull?


Yes, this is a prime example of design inconsistency.

The Excelsior now has one of, if not the, highest hull values available Fed side and yet manages to maintain one of the best Turn rates of all available Fed cruisers.

So while the rest of the Fed line up is mostly saddled with absolutely terrible to moderately terrible turn rates - the Excelsior gets to have its cake and eat it too.


Maybe one day the devs will either realize the disparity between base turn rate and final calculated turn rates and adjust accordingly.

Or maybe they won't, and they will just continue to break design rules as the whim strikes.


I'm putting my money on the latter.
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