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Am I the only one that sees a conflict between the use of "fighter" type craft by the Federation?

Fighters (or any smaller craft carried by Carriers) are meant to be disposable resources to take the fight to the enemy. I say disposable, because a fighter simply won't live long against anything larger than a frigate, and isn't likely to make it back to the Carrier alive after the fight.

The Federation believes that all life is equally important, no life is "disposable". Whereas the other factions do believe that some lives are more valuable than others.

I can see the Klingons and Romulans using fighters or smaller "disposable" craft in war; but I would argue that the Federation (if it has Carriers) would equip them only with unmanned drones.

Small difference, I know, it would only take a small amount of rewording to affect this change; but I think it would fit the philosophy of the Federation much better.
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# 2
07-20-2012, 04:09 PM
As others have mentioned and I'll mention again... there were several instances in the actual shows where shuttles/fighters were used in combat.. not just for war but used for dangerous missions as well

Yes the Federation believes no life is disposable... but remember the phrase "The needs of the many, outweigh the needs of the few"... that line was used several times during the series... and normally used when the crew knew they may not come back from the mission...
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# 3
07-20-2012, 04:20 PM
Because it's not like when there's a hostile situation that, instead of beaming down a few platoons of marines, they instead beam down a small handful of explorers with handguns.

Starfleet... they care about their people (just not all that much).
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# 4
07-20-2012, 04:31 PM
There are plenty of examples in trek tv series and novels of piloted fighter craft.

DS9 has plenty of them. TNG uses shuttles as attack craft. Voyager has their shuttles and delta flyer as attack craft.

List goes on.
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# 5
07-20-2012, 11:28 PM
Unfortunately your examples don't hold true.

In just about every case, shuttles or fighters were used as last resorts. Every time Voyager got in a fight, it didn't launch the delta flyer to help. The Enterprise never launched shuttles to help in a fight. DS9 never launched shuttles to help in a fight except in cases where the fight too place out of DS9 weapon range.

Fighters were used against the Borg, but an arguement could be made that they threw everything that flew against that threat out of necessity (and each fighter lasted about 1.3 seconds).

A Carrier however is different. A Carrier's role is to carry smaller craft to the fight, then sit back out of range while the fighters do the work, recover and rearm the fighters, then carry them to the next fight. A ship specifically designed to carry disposable craft (for the Federation) would not use piloted craft (in my opinion).

I'm not saying get rid of Federation Carriers, I'm just saying rename the pets to reflect pilotless drones.

A Klingon would view a fighter pilot as a noble exercise in bravery and fearlessness.

A Federation officer would view a fighter pilot as an unnessecary risk of life, when other alternatives exist.

Given the state of artificial intelligence in Star Trek, why would the Federation put a pilot into a craft that couldn't take more than a single hit from any significant threat?
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# 6
07-21-2012, 12:16 AM
All Pilots of fighter are Redshirts with no last name. So they Have to die. Its in the rules!


Id try to Hash it out Canon wise. But this is war and SF is on a war footing. Fighters would be used. Now When a Pilot is about to Blow up. There is a Automatic Beam out back to the carrier. Where they serve Tea and Scones before they hop in a new fighter.
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