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Lieutenant
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 33
We have to spend an insane amount to get a lockbox ship and they are not any better then a Klingon ship. At least let us use the lockbox ships on all our toons (like the cheaper ships you buy in Cstore) instead of just the 1 toon. Even if we have to get 1 for Klingons and 1 for Feds but stop with the only 1 toon can use thing. I think it would even help increase sales for Cryptic.
Captain
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 7,184
# 2
08-06-2012, 03:07 PM
Keys are fairly cheap. Allowing a Lockbox ship to be an Account Unlock would greatly cut back on the number of Keys many people would buy - as there's no incentive to keep buying if every alt you have gets a ship once you win one.

So no, Account Unlocks would not increase sales for Cryptic. They would decrease overall sales - especially when the Lobi system allows you to acquire currency to get the ships even if you don't get it from the drop.
Lieutenant
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 33
# 3
08-06-2012, 03:17 PM
How so? the only ship you can get with Lobi is the carrier. Has nothing to do with the Escort version. And I think you are wrong, keys are not cheap and the amount of keys you would have to use to get more then 1 ship would be insane. No one is going to spend more money trying to get 2 ships. They will stop at the one. Only a person who wants them on all their toons will never buy any. It stopped me from buying boxes when they were selling the galor. Screw waisting all that money on boxes just to get 1 ship. I can buy a much cheaper ship on Cstore and use that for all characters. I dropped some keys for a bug ship but haven't even opened it yet since I can't use it on all chars. I dropped some keys on trying to get the Orb ship but have yet to get one. Not really sure it is worth the effort to keep trying since, there again, I can only use it on one char.
Career Officer
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 670
# 4
08-06-2012, 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by armax View Post
How so? the only ship you can get with Lobi is the carrier. Has nothing to do with the Escort version. And I think you are wrong, keys are not cheap and the amount of keys you would have to use to get more then 1 ship would be insane. No one is going to spend more money trying to get 2 ships. They will stop at the one. Only a person who wants them on all their toons will never buy any. It stopped me from buying boxes when they were selling the galor. Screw waisting all that money on boxes just to get 1 ship. I can buy a much cheaper ship on Cstore and use that for all characters. I dropped some keys for a bug ship but haven't even opened it yet since I can't use it on all chars. I dropped some keys on trying to get the Orb ship but have yet to get one. Not really sure it is worth the effort to keep trying since, there again, I can only use it on one char.
All the same ship on all my toons? No, different ships however, Yes.....

A single key is $1.25 <--- Cheap... Sometimes people get the ship in one box.. I've seen it =.=

If I wanted the Tholian Carrier on two toons, I would put the money for the Lobi to get them. So, you're wrong by saying nobody would.... I have certain ships I want for my 6 toons...

Fed Engineer: Orb Weaver (Saving up EC for)
Fed Tactical: JHAS (Obtained)
Fed Science: Tholian Carrier (Obtained)

KDF Engineer: Kar'fi (Obtained)
KDF Tactical: Fleet Somraw (Soon?)
KDF Science: Fleet Corsair (Soon?) <--- will be buying the T3 version for module discount.. also just in case I decide to fly this ship on another toon.

What I'm trying to say is even if they were account unlock... I wouldn't be using them
I'll stop kicking that horse when the bugs fixed. Until then as a paying consumer, I will voice my opinion.
Lieutenant
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 41
# 5
08-06-2012, 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by gypsyblade View Post

A single key is $1.25 <--- Cheap... Sometimes people get the ship in one box.. I've seen it =.=
That's my situation... before starting to invest real money on this game, i begin opening lock boxes by dilithum exchange. I get no Galor Cruiser, but when the Ferengi Lock Box started, i lucky get an golden box, i used 100 CP (On that time) and SURPRISE!!! A Ferengi D'kora for me!!! (That's special, iv'e seen that so many people that saids they open golden boxes, and get nothing interesting)

Anyways, i could wich my D'kora is avalible to all my toons, but, as is spoken already, could be a loose of money for Cryptic. Anyways, i'm glad to be here, i came from other space games, and this is the best. I can spend no money and still play perfectly. I spend money 'cause i love visuals, and game is good enought

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Survivor of Romulus
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 251
# 6
08-07-2012, 06:16 AM
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Originally Posted by gypsyblade View Post
KDF Science: Fleet Corsair (Soon?) <--- will be buying the T3 version for module discount.. also just in case I decide to fly this ship on another toon.
Klingons get no discounts and only fleet versions of T5 C-Store Fed ships can get discount.
Captain
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 7,184
# 7
08-06-2012, 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by armax View Post
How so? the only ship you can get with Lobi is the carrier. Has nothing to do with the Escort version. And I think you are wrong, keys are not cheap and the amount of keys you would have to use to get more then 1 ship would be insane. No one is going to spend more money trying to get 2 ships. They will stop at the one. Only a person who wants them on all their toons will never buy any. It stopped me from buying boxes when they were selling the galor. Screw waisting all that money on boxes just to get 1 ship. I can buy a much cheaper ship on Cstore and use that for all characters. I dropped some keys for a bug ship but haven't even opened it yet since I can't use it on all chars. I dropped some keys on trying to get the Orb ship but have yet to get one. Not really sure it is worth the effort to keep trying since, there again, I can only use it on one char.
Most people have multiple alts and want the Lockbox ships for them as well - that was the whole point of your thread: getting the ships on more then 1 character. So people keep buying Keys even after they win a ship, not only for the Lobi but because they want a second ship - maybe for an alt or maybe just to sell on the Exchange.

And yes, Keys are cheap. For every person who spends $100.00 on Keys there's someone else who won the ship only spending $1.25. It's all about averages on Cryptic's side. For example, everyone I know who's won one of the ships did so by spending less then $10.00 to get it. I have a friend who bought 5 Keys and won 2 ships from those 5. Cryptic knows exactly what that average is.

So yes, if I could spend $5.00 and get a new Tholian ship for all my alts, I would certainly do it - and there's nothing major in the Lobi store to keep my paying $1.25 for 4 Lobi Crystals once all my alts have the ship. I know I'm not alone in that; and that means less Lockbox sales for Cryptic in the long-term.
Lt. Commander
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 232
# 8
08-06-2012, 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by thecosmic1 View Post
Most people have multiple alts and want the Lockbox ships for them as well - that was the whole point of your thread: getting the ships on more then 1 character. So people keep buying Keys even after they win a ship, not only for the Lobi but because they want a second ship - maybe for an alt or maybe just to sell on the Exchange.

And yes, Keys are cheap. For every person who spends $100.00 on Keys there's someone else who won the ship only spending $1.25. It's all about averages on Cryptic's side. For example, everyone I know who's won one of the ships did so by spending less then $10.00 to get it. I have a friend who bought 5 Keys and won 2 ships from those 5. Cryptic knows exactly what that average is.

So yes, if I could spend $5.00 and get a new Tholian ship for all my alts, I would certainly do it - and there's nothing major in the Lobi store to keep my paying $1.25 for 4 Lobi Crystals once all my alts have the ship. I know I'm not alone in that; and that means less Lockbox sales for Cryptic in the long-term.
What you're listing there are the most common gambler's lies.
"I only played three times and won the jackpot" kind of lies.
Sometimes they are half-thruths (they only played three times THAT DAY), usually though they are flat out lies trying to cover shame about gambling activities, attempts to cover up how much of a problem they really have. Only VERY, VERY RARELY these numbers are true.

For STO Lockboxes, we can actually estimate the probability for a ship pretty well.
- Cryptic explained that a key costing 100 CP would on average yield 170 CP worth of unlocks.
- Let's assume that each lockbox contains either
a) a ship, worth 2000 CP, or
b) random crap valued at 50 CP
(that's a VERY, VERY optimistic way of looking at it, ignoring the value of Lobi and undervalueing the random crap - Cryptic probably values it much higher. Thus, we get a HIGH estimate for ship probability, the real one should be quite a bit lower still)
- this would yield a ship in 6.15% of lockboxes, and random crap in 93.85% of them ... or a ship every 16.26 lockboxes, or 20$ on average.

Again, this is a HIGH estimate.
A lower, probably more realistic estimate (crap valued at 120 CP) would only yield a ship at 2.66%, or 37.6 lockboxes, or 47$.
And that's still not the low estimate, if you think of stuff like unique weapons and consoles or less desireable ships like currently the mirror universe cruisers ... then numbers of less than 1% / 100 boxes / 125$ don't really look too unrealistic, either.

No matter what, people saying they got their ship in less than 10 boxes are either very lucky ... or, a lot more probable, lieing to avoid seeming like a degenerate gambler who just spent three-digit dollars on a bunch of pixels in a free-to-play game.

That's the math.
Captain
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 7,184
# 9
08-06-2012, 05:32 PM
I happened to be playing with my friend when he won the 2 ships on 5 Keys - we're always on Teamspeak together and he's one of my oldest friends in the world. He's also jobless at this time and doesn't have the money to $25.00 into Keys. But believe whatever you want.

I, personally, have only used 15 Keys since the Lockboxes started. I've never won a ship but the 4 other people I play with every day have all won several ships. None of them were spending hundreds of dollars like the OP to do so.
Survivor of Romulus
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 973
# 10
08-06-2012, 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by thecosmic1 View Post
Keys are fairly cheap. Allowing a Lockbox ship to be an Account Unlock would greatly cut back on the number of Keys many people would buy - as there's no incentive to keep buying if every alt you have gets a ship once you win one.

So no, Account Unlocks would not increase sales for Cryptic. They would decrease overall sales - especially when the Lobi system allows you to acquire currency to get the ships even if you don't get it from the drop.
not it should be a legacy unlock not every toon gets a ship but if u have one u choose what toon u want to play it. that way u still only have one ship but u can change which toon can fly it
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