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Can we get somebody from Cryptic to share the wisdom and thinking behind creating starbase doffs?

Currently you can buy starbase doff packs for fleet credits. However doffs from those packs:

* cannot be contributed to sb projects
* do not give dil/recruitment xp on dismiss
* yet can still be sold on exchange

Now I do understand that there's certain brain thinning during the summer time but this is just beyond me.

What is the point of white doffs that cannot be used for the very purposes white doffs are used for: grind/dismiss/feed to sb projects? And those doffs look EXACTLY alike normal doffs that can be used for such purposes? (Read good luck buying doffs on exchange, especially those sensor doffs for 500k a piece).

And while I can foresee the "oh people with a lof of credits will buy a lot of doffs" argument, may I remind you that fleet credits do not come out of thin air.
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# 2
08-23-2012, 08:09 AM
Can SB Doffs be combined - 5 Whites into a Green, 5 Greens into a Blue, etc? And once you combine them can the Greens be used in SB projects? And if you break down a Green into 3 Whites can those DOFFs be used in SB projects?

I didn't do any testing on Tribble, so what I'm basically asking is does the game give you ways to turn essentially free SB DOFFs into regular DOFFS though a process of Combining and Breaking them down?
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# 3
08-23-2012, 08:13 AM
Huh, I didn't know you couldn't use them to contribute to bases, but I am regularly upgrading them into greens...
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# 4
08-23-2012, 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by thecosmic1 View Post
Can SB Doffs be combined - 5 Whites into a Green, 5 Greens into a Blue, etc? And once you combine them can the Greens be used in SB projects? And if you break down a Green into 3 Whites can those DOFFs be used in SB projects?

I didn't do any testing on Tribble, so what I'm basically asking is does the game give you ways to turn essentially free SB DOFFs into regular DOFFS though a process of Combining and Breaking them down?
Well you can grind them allright, but grinding/shredding aint exactly profitable:

5 doffs + 10 dil -> doff shredder -> 3 normal white doffs

IIRC the price for doff pack is 5000 fleet credits. I haven't bought one myself yet, but I assume it's gonna yield 3 white doffs of unknown specialty. 5000 credits is 100 dil or 33 white doffs.

That's the resource cost. There's much larger time cost in it where you have to do very boring things using an abysmal doff interface. Not exactly a pleasure.

THEY AINT EXACTLY FREE sb doffs.

What pisses me off is that they look exactly like normal white doffs but lack functionality of white doffs that I consider essential. We're all building starbases aren't we?
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# 5
08-23-2012, 08:40 AM
Any time you're just using sweat equity it's free, IMO.

Most of us have tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of Fleet Credits - and most of the Fleet Store items are sub-standard compared to what we already have - and you can make 1,440 Dilithium in about 10 minutes.

If I can convert 5 SB DOFFs into 3 useful DOFFS that can save me a lot of ECs on the Exchange or dollars in the C-Store. If that's how it works it seems like an OK deal for me. But I'm not hung-up on Immediate Gratification. I'm willing to work a little to get what I want.
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# 6
08-23-2012, 08:49 AM
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Any time you're just using sweat equity it's free, IMO.

Most of us have tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of Fleet Credits - and most of the Fleet Store items are sub-standard compared to what we already have - and you can make 1,440 Dilithium in about 10 minutes.

If I can convert 5 SB DOFFs into 3 useful DOFFS that can save me a lot of ECs on the Exchange or dollars in the C-Store. If that's how it works it seems like an OK deal for me. But I'm not hung-up on Immediate Gratification. I'm willing to work a little to get what I want.
Thats great and all, but the entire supposed purpose of the Fleet DOFF vendor was so that people with crazy amounts of fleet credit could have something to spend them on that would actually aid in advancing the fleet projects. Small fleets could get past being stuck on not having 30 security officers by investing some of the fleet credits they earned thru grinding into purchasing DOFFs. If the DOFFs aren't usable on fleet projects, what is the point of that guys existence?

And having no way to distinguish between a project-slottable DOFF and an unslottable DOFF listed on the exchange makes purchases there a little bit like russian roulette. If I plunk down 800k for a common sensor officer I damn sure want to know I can use it on a project.

EDIT: Also, I don't want to have to go to the fleet base, buy commons, go back to SFA, trade them up. Then trade them down, and then repeat. I want to play the game, not shlepp back and forth from sirius to eta erandi and back again.

But hey - its working as intended.

Last edited by boglejam73; 08-23-2012 at 08:52 AM.
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# 7
08-23-2012, 09:00 AM
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Thats great and all, but the entire supposed purpose of the Fleet DOFF vendor was so that people with crazy amounts of fleet credit could have something to spend them on that would actually aid in advancing the fleet projects.
My question was can you convert SB DOFFs into regular DOFFs and then use them in Fleet projects? If you can then that's better then not being able to use them at all.

Of course I'd rather they just give us less SB DOFFs for the FCs rather then make us go through the conversion process, but if it's conversion process or not be able to use them at all I'll deal with the conversion process.

Yes, it sucks that I'll have to convert them - assuming I can. But I can also see it from Cryptic's perspective in that they want people to buy DOFF Packs from the C-Store - so they're going to make it as tedious a process as they can so that people will just pony-up the bucks rather then do the work.
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# 8
08-23-2012, 08:43 AM
whaaaaat? i just yesterday bought 40 fleet doffs and 7 i put into a SB project...you better check that before you distribute missinformation.

the only downside, when purchasing them is, that they are either random tactical or security...or operations and engineers and so on.

eventually after filling up my doff roster with the once i couldn't contribute, i go to the acadamy and get greens, which i downgrade again...until the SB assignements are filled or i have no fleet credits left to buy fleet doffs.

don't give me "thats impossible", because i did it yesterday and nearly filled 3 sepperate assignments with doffs worth approximately 130k fleet credits from sepperate toons.


PS: it seems military boxes favour tactical doffs...in a 7 to 3 ratio...but thats just subjective observation


PPS: one box with one white cost me 500 fleet credits...it's the completely random box. However the class specific cost 750 fleet credits and have a 50-50 chance (presumably) to drop either a tactical or a security for a military box.
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Last edited by baudl; 08-23-2012 at 08:50 AM.
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# 9
08-23-2012, 08:44 AM
Yes you will be able to i think>
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# 10
08-23-2012, 08:48 AM
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whaaaaat? i just yesterday bought 40 fleet doffs and 7 i put into a SB project...you better check that before you distribute missinformation.

the only downside, when purchasing them is, that they are either random tactical or security...or operations and engineers and so on.

eventually after filling up my doff roster with the once i couldn't contribute, i go to the acadamy and get greens, which i downgrade again...until the SB assignements are filled or i have no fleet credits left to buy fleet doffs.

don't give me "thats impossible", because i did it yesterday and nearly filled 3 sepperate assignments with doffs worth approximately 130k fleet credits from sepperate toons.
The system on Tribble didn't allow it, and that's the system going into Holodeck with the patch today.
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