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Hello there i just gotta know for sure if there will be a true reason for me to keep on playing with my KDF and generally stick with this game.

I cant afford to keep paying the game so in two weeks or months the company kicks in and take down all the things that made me play KDF and exist as a unique faction.
Also make feds so much OP that no matter how good i play and no matter how much i pay i will just a federation puppet only reason existing is the entertain them NO NO NO THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEND!

First of all the company is treating KDF so much unfair i cant believe it.

They dont even listen to us when things get out of the hands and many klingon come 2gether to rightfully protest for all those promises and all those things given to feds when none was given to KDF then THEY SHUT US DOWN AND LOCK DOWN OUR THREATS AND BAN THE OP'S.

This is unacceptable we are customers also we pay the dudes that lockdown our threads they got no right to shut us down we rightfully protest here.

I bet this forum moderator he admited himself he got a KDF toon but its not active (meaning hes KDF hater and FED lover)

Now leave my rightfully protesting threads alone or i report you with email to PWE and Cryptic. You bet that if you ban me again without a true reason or shut down my Question thread this one i can and will report you. Even from your forums ''jokes'' its obvious you favour federation and you throw ''dead'' tribbles at KDF.

Last thing we might be only the 19% of total pop as some say but even if thats true 19% is a big number and LOTS of money to throw away just to soften even more ur spoiled federation kids.

Because if what the tittle says comes true you instantly kill KDF and the 20% of total population. But if you leave things as they are now and maybe show a little more attention to KDF side then you can keep the already happy customers the 80% from federation and also keep us the 20% of the KDF alive and paying. This is a lot better for everyone. the federation the KDF and the company and us players who will enjoy a nice balanced game.

But srsly killing the KDF just to share via lockboxes one console this is not good idea.

Because if plasma leech is shared its a major hit in KDF and even if not all 20% quit i bet my degree that 5% WILL QUIT INCLUDING ME AND THATS A LOT OF MONEY YOU GONE WASTE AND YOU KNOW WHAT? YOU WONT GET THOSE MONEY BACK FORM LOCKBOXES!

PS. i copied all protesting KDF posts into my computer its about 100 pages or more keep shuting us down here and maybe we can copy paste everything into another blog/forums where we can continue our conversation without interuptions.
PS2. Because i got better things to do rather than defend the right and the justice into a game and trying to save the company customers and money, i would like someone who is in charge and responsible enough to reply me if the feds will get our plasma leech in next patches idc if its one week or one year but if that happends at some point i would like to know it from NOW!

I would ty in advance but i wont cause no reply will be given to me and most prolly gone lock down the threat again and bad me because i expose the unfair treatment the company is showing to KDF faction and its playerbase

As long as decent ppl keeps on playing KDF i will be here to show them what is right or wrong i will never stop unless you start treating them fair and square.

Edited to add this:

Originally Posted by cmdrskyfaller View Post
I see a lot of federation players whining about the KDF leech console.

Have they noticed the MACO shields also give their ships power?

Plasmonic leech is +1 per weapon per activation
MACO shield is +2 per activation.

Both have the same timer duration.

The difference? KDF gets the power bonus by shooting, feds by getting shot AT.

...and the fact that the federation gets the STF MACO shield for FREE while KDF has to BUY a ship to get it.

The leech cannot be given to the federation unless the maco shield or a similar shield is given to the KDF. Otherwise one side would have the ability to double-stack power bonuses.

Can you imagine how overpowered a federation ship would be with +40 power gain by using both of these? Ridiculous.

Last edited by thesnyndicate; 09-01-2012 at 08:23 AM.
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# 3
08-31-2012, 08:57 AM
If I shave this dead tribble, dry it out completely so it shrinks into a gnarled little fleshy ball of skin, do you think it would work for a Golf-like game for Klingons?

Or maybe a version of Polo using giant targs as mounts?

On the subject of KDF being left behind.

Quiet the madness Cryptic, finish the KDF.

The simple fact that we see so much KDF angst over the situation of how the faction is should be more than enough evidence that an issue exists and needs to be fixed to fan satisfaction.
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Last edited by bitemepwe; 08-31-2012 at 09:28 AM.
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# 4
08-31-2012, 09:53 AM
Originally Posted by bitemepwe View Post

The simple fact that we see so much KDF angst over the situation of how the faction is should be more than enough evidence that an issue exists and needs to be fixed to fan satisfaction.
That is the point I hopes get seen through all this madness. I care little for the plasma leech, but alot for the future of the Empire.
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# 5
08-31-2012, 10:17 AM
Why am I posting here? Just gonna repeat the same stuff I have posted in carrier threads, Fed cloak threads, Fed battle cloak threads, Fed Orion costume threads, universal BO stations on all Fed ships threads, Fed BoP threads, Fed "Klingons are OP in PvP and do too much damage" threads... on and on ad nauseum.

Don't know why I bother. Feds have carriers, Feds have two ships with cloaking and the Rhode Island, Feds have universal stations on more ships than the KDF do, Fed fleet escorts now pack more tac console slots than any KDF raptor or BoP, the trend seems to be let the Feds eat cake.

I'm tired but while I am staring at the ceiling as I try to figure out what color to paint it while I wait for the Feds to get off... Well I guess it's the same poo on a different shoe all over again.

Feds should not get Plasmodic Leach. Yes it is buggy right now, (which is why I seldom use it), it is on the table for yet another revamp to control just how much power it gives the the person who slots it. So I ultimately know they are not gonna get the "I Win!" button they are looking for.

That aside I am, as always, against the Feds getting it for all the same reasons as in all those other threads, primarily novelty of the factions. Plasmodic Leach is well positioned for a thing called "Perfect Imbalance" in that on the surface it looks OP but if the Devs get the math that underpins it just right will be effective but in the long run able to be countered. This, like the Fed AMS console, makes a novel niche for the factions that will encourage better meta gaming.

The Klingons should have a couple game mechanics to themselves. Most everything novel to the faction is now able to be done on the Fed side as it is. That means that carrots to lure Fed players try KDF play have been removed from the table.

Given that a new player has less incentive to actually commit to a KDF toon as they have to wait till level 26 to even roll a KDF the KDF needs every single hook they can grasp.

Blocking Feds from KDF exclusive toys like Plasmodic Leach is not in any way being stingy. It is trying to avoid further faction population stagnation.

That is my peace.
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Last edited by piwright42; 08-31-2012 at 10:22 AM.
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# 6
08-31-2012, 10:45 AM
It's a rumor, so it's against the rules to speculate about it.
If you want to comment to the devs about the possibility, it goes into the 'feedback' thread but as it hasn't been done yet I suspect discussion about it is also against the forum rules.

The 'closed' thread about this is here:

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# 7
08-31-2012, 04:28 PM
There is another issue. If I want to get a subspae jump console, I can buy one for 500k EC on the exchange. If I want it for my KDF chars, it's 1000 zen. That's a lot more, and Fed chars can get the best KDF equipment for a ridiculous price, while the KDF players have to pay for this. If we could get at least the choice between the two consoles, the pill wouldn't be so bitter.

And if it has to be done, since Cryptic is willing to cust the cost for obvious reasons, getting good Fed consoles in return for the KDF would mean some respect for both factions. While I'm enjoying a lot my fed subspace jump on my tholian carrier, the point defense system isn't even worth opening a box, it's pure and absolute junk. Nothing you may use on any ship in any situation, although the subspace jump is usefull on many ships.

Come on, something dealing less damage than a pet every 2 minutes isn't worth a jump giving you the best angle to fire your cannons if you have some. The subspace jump is a promise for raw dps, especially if you use a tractor beam right after the jump; the point defense system is just a colored toy making some light...

Some examples of good Fed consoles the KDF could get in return for the plasmonic leech:
- Ablative generator
- Metreon Gas Canisters Console Mod
- Nadeon Detonator, to some extent, although it would be something equivalent to a barrier field instead since it's a bit inferior to the previous consoles.

Any other console for the plasmonic leech would be a joke. I don't mind if both faction trade good equipment for some other good equipment, but I feel that my fed chars get the most shiny stuff while my kdf ones get the junk.

Edit: I think we need to make a list of consoles the KDF really doesn't need, since 95% if its consoles are good and usefull and since several fed ones aren't... If it can help the devs so that they don't give our kdf chars crap in the next boxes.

- Ionized Gas Sensor: it's an anti cloaked ship consoles. The KDF has no cloaked enemy. This wouldn't be serious.
- Point defense system: who need that crap? It deals almost zero dps and takes a console slot for very limited results. If it's supposed to get rid off borg torpedoes, I think a smart player can just focus the torpedo himself and fire. Unfortunately, it was already tossed in the lockboxes.
- Tachyon Detection Field: anti cloaked ship. Uneeded.
- Transwarp Computer: this is a poor console, since the power levels it could increase are so limited it's not even worth using it. +20 in warp core efficiency would mean +2 or so in every power level if I made no mistake in my maths. Not meaningfull at all.

Some 'could be usefull but not worth the great KDF consoles you can use on any ship':
- Enhanced Plasma Manifold: it will make KDF scis happy, but that's it. All other KDF consoles are usefull for any class.
- Grappler: I would think to it as a joke, it's just a tractor beam. If I really want one I think we all have science bridge officers.

I hope this will be usefull to someone.

Last edited by diogene0; 08-31-2012 at 05:09 PM.
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# 8
08-31-2012, 08:51 PM
Simple for the next console box have it give feds leach and klingons maco shields. Then let the power level trolling ensue.

Actual real solution make the leach give the exact same stack to fed as the maco, that way it will only stack to +10 if they have both.
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# 9
08-31-2012, 09:10 AM
I agree with the OP in principle but..

where did he read the Feds are getting the leech?

They already have one. Its called MACO shields.

If it does happen, will KDF receive a power level boosting shield?
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# 10
08-31-2012, 09:35 AM
Surely its against forum rules to make a new thread saying the exact same thing as an old thread that was closed because it had run its course?
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