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I don't know if this is a problem with all raptors or just the Qin but, seriously, this ship's turn axis is annoyingly set way too far back. In my opinion, it's the only thing that prevents it from being the perfect strike ship.

I thought I was the only one who feels that there is something wrong with how awkwardly the Qin Raptor turns. Then I come here and find out that this issue has been brought up before (several times by the looks of this "archived" thread) and yet nothing has been done after more than a year.

Cryptic, please fix this. Thanks!
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# 2
09-03-2012, 08:19 AM
Since it's considered a bug by Cryptic

I think it's high time.
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# 3
09-19-2012, 10:22 PM
Originally Posted by misterde3 View Post
Since it's considered a bug by Cryptic

I think it's high time.
then, and now, i want this addressed. ya i remember that post saying that now.
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# 4
09-19-2012, 11:07 PM
I mentioned some time ago that the Qin raptor appeared to match the D7's pivot points in pitch and yaw (roll may be off too, not sure). After mentioning this on these forums, I logged back in to my tac officer that is in a Qin, sat in sector space, pitching the ship up and down, as well as left and right.

My observations from doing that and recalling the feature episode mission "Night of the Comet" observations are thus:

The Qin raptor is sitting on the pivot point flight mesh of a D7 or similiar flight mesh, the position of the model on this mesh is set significantly forward, as well as underslung (consider the Qin model builds up, where the D7 builds down).
This positioning gives the appearance of the pitch and yaw being controlled by, for lack of better explanation, a pair of wheel barrow handles attached on top of the nacelles and haveing a lot of lead (dead?) weight in the nose section and being forced to manhandle the ship into position.

Overall, dropping the nose onto the target is super fast, pulling or swinging the nose onto the target takes far longer than it should.

In addendum, I feel the true turn rate of the Qin varies according to what your doing, if your pitching the nose up, or turning left/right I feel it's turn rate is more like 13, but, if your pitching the nose down it's rate is closer to 17.

The solution in theory is simple enough, align the model to the mesh so that the X axis is lower down in the hull, and the Z axis is further forward in the hull. In practice it could be so difficult to put in place that for all intense and purposes it may require a completely new sector/system flight mesh for the model to sit on (fed escort mesh may work, but not something I could be sure of).

Please note: This is a collection of my thoughts on this matter based upon my own personal observations from the game itself, and is in no way accurate.
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# 5
09-03-2012, 02:31 PM
Yeah, it's been brought up by myself and other forum regulars. And, in all honesty, it's an obvious problem to anyone who tries to fly raptors against Fed escorts or other KDF escort-level ships. Maybe the devs will deal with it at some point in the future. . .we'll see. In the meantime, I just won't be flying the Qin raptor or the fleet Raptors (assuming they have the same pivot problem). There's nothing it can do that can't be done BETTER by either the BoPs, the Guramba, or a escort-built Vorcha.

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# 6
09-03-2012, 02:48 PM
Its high past time the Qin was fixed.
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# 7
09-07-2012, 02:56 PM
Agreed... though I still think it needs more love than just a pivot fix... particularly the underwhelming Fleet Qin.
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# 8
09-10-2012, 09:49 AM
It's been broken since Beta. But it's A klingon ship, so it will never get fixed.
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# 9
09-10-2012, 02:38 PM
+1'ing this thread for great justice.

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