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# 1 So... If I read this right...
10-21-2012, 02:34 AM
Please, please tell me I am NOT reading this right, because it sounds so ridiculous to even suggest:

http://www.stowiki.org/Reputation_System

People will be running around with 30-60 extra passive starship weapons training skill, 3-6% extra critical chance, free bites at a reverse KHG placate procc, chance rolls to recieve massive moar shield heal upon critical hit, a passive extra 1000 shield per 6 second tic and a passive bfi doff proc for hull.
'Romulan plasma weapons' phaser plasma hybrid that aren't resisted by borg shields anyone?

That's just space, I'm not even going to start thinking about how ground pvp has been bolloxed here, because it beggars belief.


Thank bleepers I barely play this pos anymore.
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# 2
10-21-2012, 02:36 AM
Yay for forcing PvPers to grind.


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# 3
10-21-2012, 02:44 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dantrainor View Post
Please, please tell me I am NOT reading this right, because it sounds so ridiculous to even suggest:

http://www.stowiki.org/Reputation_System

People will be running around with 30-60 extra passive starship weapons training skill, 3-6% extra critical chance, free bites at a reverse KHG placate procc, chance rolls to recieve massive moar shield heal upon critical hit, a passive extra 1000 shield per 6 second tic and a passive bfi doff proc for hull.
My best guess is you'll see from a more tactical set up the following choices, because you do have to choose either/or..

Romulan:
Probobly Increase Crit hit, but maybe Increase weapon Training by 30. Depending on build.
20% Insta heal to shields when you are crit. Because we know the 5% when you crit to Placate won't last more then 1 second or the next volley of damage, which ever is first.
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Omega:
Maybe the Increase Weapon Training by 30. Depends on if it's better then the Passive Regeneration buff. I'm expecting it to be from the info given.
More then likely Increased shield Regen, as once again, Placate kinda sucks. And it's the same placate as the Romulan one.

Making it probobly:
+30 Weapon training, +3% Crit hit, 20% Chance to get Shield heals when you get hit with a Crit, Increased Shield Regeneration, and once every 10 Minutes +100 all science skills.

Although I could see Faw Boat healers running the Placate ability for a 5%x2 Placate perhaps. But that's a guess more then a sure thing. As I could see that being a nice have, especially with the +3% Crit hit ability.
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# 4
10-21-2012, 03:07 AM
This sounds terrible, for a number of reasons:

  1. More grind, obviously.
  2. More ways for PvErs to gimp their builds, especially if there is no way to respec these choices. One choice for example only works against Borg, while the other one is genuinely useful.
  3. More power creep across the board, because healing and damage weren't extreme enough before.
  4. Many of these mechanics are poorly thought out, including pretty much anything to do with critical hits. Getting free shield heals when you're critically hit? Placating your attacker when you're critically hit? Placating your target when you crit them -- which wears off when you do more damage? Really?

Ideally these would just be disabled in PvP. Otherwise, if it's a significant grind this will probably drive me completely away from STO and into the arms of MWO.
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# 5
10-21-2012, 04:16 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmqcFEnbaWM&t=0m35s

im really starting to lose hope now, about everything. grind to power creep win, with no possibly way of balancing it. the extremes will get more extreme, and the baseline will be even more harmless.

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# 6
10-21-2012, 04:37 AM
Ya I know right in typical Cryptic fashion they take one step forward... and a couple back again.

I mean the borg set change, and the look at tac team and bfi that bort has mentioned they plan to do... A good way to reverse some of the creep dmg that has seeped in after 3 years... (yes I said dmg and I know those are heal nerfs, don't make me explain that again. lol)

Then they go and say hey lets give you another +crit chance console... and hey lets give you another +3% crit chance passive.

Really if I am still around to grind it out... my main tac with my loved Crthx3 weapons will end up with close to a 20% crit chance... I am going to take people out with one volley if they aren't supper buffed.

+3% crit chance is a HUGE number... you think they would be catching on that all these +0.5% add up... I mean even at 0.5% chance on subnuke doffs people still complain...

This one change on my tac already employing a high crit chance system... this is going to boost me a good 1000 dps easy.
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# 7
10-21-2012, 04:52 AM
a ton of damage and heal creep, mostly from indirect sources like sets. but for damage, i can say 1 word, bug, and no further explanation is needed. if thats not enough, 4 or 5 purple mk12 tac consoles and purple mk12 weapons, thats not creap, thats exponential.

the result is higher pressure sure, but its spike, the difference between max and baseline, that is the most out of control. same with healing too. game is to spiky. unbuffed weapons fire does almost nothing, this adds to the problem.



im completely in love with movement control and critD 3 weapons, suddenly they just die from 7 to 10k crits. the critD were like 4 mkXI for less then 600k, had to snag those. i imagine crits more often would be better though, need to check the exchange again. also, antiproton, the old mk X mark store that are critD2, critH, another character gets great use out of those.

acc is kinda pointless imo, your not trying to control the movement of your target? or having a team mate do it for you? whats up with that lol
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# 8
10-21-2012, 09:33 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by hurleybird View Post
More ways for PvErs to gimp their builds, especially if there is no way to respec these choices.
I'm going to guess that there will be a way to respec those choices - however, they are looking to increase the chance that somebody does something wrong and needs to "buy" that respec. They're increasing the amount of per toon items - the amount of investment in those per toon items either in grinding or in cold hard cash - thus, attempting to increase the chance that if somebody screws something up - they will be more likely to "buy" that respec.

Increase the per toon investment? Check.
Increase the per toon chance to screw up? Check.
Increase the likelihood of a player buying a respec? Check.

Heck, into that - add additional grinds requiring Dil as well as reduced Dil earnings - and it further increases the chances that a person will outright buy the Zen for a respec than they will attempt to grind it out...
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# 9
10-21-2012, 09:53 AM
Wow.

Please someone tell me this dumb ass system doesn't activate in pvp.

Please?

Stop it cryptic, you can't even fix what you have. Just stop.

Last edited by ghostyandfrosty; 10-21-2012 at 09:55 AM.
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# 10
10-21-2012, 09:57 AM
DOFFs had the same effect to the old ways. The sky hasn't fallen yet.

Thats not to say it won't be a balance nightmare. But change usually is.
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