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# 1 My apologies...
11-01-2012, 03:54 PM
...to those KDF players that were in that recent C&H that were undeserving of my general comments in reply to the "gg" offered by others.

There were some good fights in there - off to the side - at the start.

Not all of the KDF were participating in the typical cheese spam which currently results in FvK queues as it stands now: 0 Fed 10 KDF

Sometimes emotions can run high, and it's easy to forget that not all KDF are the same - so comments really shouldn't be directed in general - but rather they should be directed at individuals. Because face it, they're ruining the game for other KDF as well - if not more - than they are for Feds. Feds can queue FvF to avoid it - the KDF would be stuck KvK... facing the same issues that cause Feds not to queue FvK.

So again, my apologies for my general comments - there were some fun fights in there. GG to those that provided a good game...

...to the others, well - I like posting on the forums - so I can't say what I think here.
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# 2
11-01-2012, 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by virusdancer View Post
...to those KDF players that were in that recent C&H that were undeserving of my general comments in reply to the "gg" offered by others.

There were some good fights in there - off to the side - at the start.

Not all of the KDF were participating in the typical cheese spam which currently results in FvK queues as it stands now: 0 Fed 10 KDF

Sometimes emotions can run high, and it's easy to forget that not all KDF are the same - so comments really shouldn't be directed in general - but rather they should be directed at individuals. Because face it, they're ruining the game for other KDF as well - if not more - than they are for Feds. Feds can queue FvF to avoid it - the KDF would be stuck KvK... facing the same issues that cause Feds not to queue FvK.

So again, my apologies for my general comments - there were some fun fights in there. GG to those that provided a good game...

...to the others, well - I like posting on the forums - so I can't say what I think here.
What are you avoiding in F v F?? i was in a game last night getting GP for 35 sec, ams, theta, tric mines.. Dunoobs all other the place, its everywhere in the game not just k V f

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# 3
11-01-2012, 04:24 PM
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What are you avoiding in F v F?? i was in a game last night getting GP for 35 sec, ams, theta, tric mines.. Dunoobs all other the place, its everywhere in the game not just k V f
Siphon...
Aceton...

I'd rather put up with the AMS, Theta, Tric, and Danubes...
...than AMS, Theta, Tric, AA, and ASD.

Yep, I'd gladly take having to face ADRs over ASDs and AA any day...

...which I think many would agree with. One can just look at the FvF queues vs the FvK queues.
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# 4
11-01-2012, 04:44 PM
Both sides are annoying to play. At the end of the day, implying one side is worse than the other is pointless because it's simply not true. Both sides can suck to play against, but what options are there other than not playing or trying to get private maps?

It would be nice to see more pugmades inside OPVP. Had a very fun match this AM with Qin and a few other KDF. Almost made me late for work but was worth it. Although I was da-noob held half the match ;]
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# 5
11-01-2012, 04:53 PM
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Both sides are annoying to play. At the end of the day, implying one side is worse than the other is pointless because it's simply not true. Both sides can suck to play against, but what options are there other than not playing or trying to get private maps?
Once again then, explain the difference in wait periods/number of folks queuing FvF vs FvK...

If the Fed stuff were as bad, then either they wouldn't queue or they would queue both FvF and FvK because it wouldn't matter.

That's not the case though...

...they queue FvF over FvK. Or they'll queue FvK until somebody brings the cheese, then they just warp, and the FvK queue is dead again.

By the way, my OP was a legitimate apology to the other KDF in that C&H when I lost it when a couple of the other KDF offered a "gg" at the end of the fight. I wouldn't have said anything, would not have felt the need to post an apology, if not for the "gg" - you don't bring that kind of cheese, end up spawn camping the other side with that cheese, and then offer a "gg"...

...there were some pretty nifty fights in that match - it was fun.

Then it was just... "yeah, duh - this is why you don't queue FvK" - but it was fine. Dookie happens. Then the "gg" nonsense... yeah, I lost it a little - and my comments were too general. They should have been directed - targeted - not some mindless AoE ranting rage... the other KDF in that match didn't deserve that.

edit: Course, the girlfriend just gave me a /facepalm when I told her what happened - she said it's just a game. It's funny how easily that can be gotten. Too many of us take this far too seriously...meh.

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# 6
11-01-2012, 06:06 PM
Neither side is perfect but for what it's worth, I have to give the potential cheese edge to the KDF for the moment. Right now Leech is everywhere, Aceton Assimilators do things they shouldn't, Siphon Drones are ridiculous, Intercepters proc like mad and energy drains stack too well. That's without even mentioning Viral Matrix + Doffs and the fact that you can safely Tric mine the respawn point.

All that being said, not everyone flying KDF is doing this. Unfortunately some of these things are so out of control that it can be hard to determine who is douching it up and who is just benefiting through the luck of the draw in queues. Flying KDF side with people who run these things makes me feel dirty but flying Fed side against them leaves me feeling violated.

I hate how negative I've become over this game that has so much potential. There is a lot of serious meaningful work to do but Cryptic is so busy throwing out poorly designed garbage. They need to fix PvP and then get back to work on bridges or bundles like the DS9/Defiant pack. That looked awesome and I doubt my Galaxy Class/TNG pack is going to break PvP.
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# 7
11-01-2012, 07:00 PM
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Siphon...
Aceton...

I'd rather put up with the AMS, Theta, Tric, and Danubes...
...than AMS, Theta, Tric, AA, and ASD.

Yep, I'd gladly take having to face ADRs over ASDs and AA any day...

...which I think many would agree with. One can just look at the FvF queues vs the FvK queues.
Fine. Then give the KDF Danubes and give the feds AA and ASDs and when the FvKing ques dont move what will next excuse be as to why the KDF is holding a unfair annoyance over the feds?

Just give a honest (and you said you did) apology with out details on why you got angry.
Once you go into detail it breaks down and becomes semi-accusitory and rantish.

" to the .....last night....sorry....hate Fking spam...."

And I apoligise for my attitude against you, it was uncalled for on my part.
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# 8
11-01-2012, 07:28 PM
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Fine. Then give the KDF Danubes and give the feds AA and ASDs and when the FvKing ques dont move what will next excuse be as to why the KDF is holding a unfair annoyance over the feds?
I've never had a previous excuse other than this one. It was why I quit back in April.

It's more annoying now than it was back then because of AMS through the Temporal boxes.

So my issue earlier in the year - was made worse...

...so I'm not sure of why I would need any other excuse.

Until the garbage earlier this year, I mainly ran KDF. I had my 3 KDF toons and my single Fed... named Token - my token Fed since I was stuck with the Fed restricted character slot and wanted to maximize my Dil farming.

As that crap hit, I didn't want to be on a KDF team that used it and I sure as Hell didn't want to KvK against that garbage.

I argued for more KDF ships while Fed weenies were crying for the Ambassador (after I shifted Fed and started championing the Vesta (not the monstrosity they're putting out, but something that was along the lines of the Karfi) I still made fun of the Ambassador guys - I mean, c'mon)... I argued for more KDF content. I spent time dorking around in the Foundry to make KDF content. I was all about KDF out side of my token Fed... who was just grinding Dil for my KDF dudes.

Then they did the console nonsense... and it was a case of "effit" - and, it wasn't long before it was obvious to see where the game was going down the P2W path. Deleted my four guys - including anniversary ships - all the stuff I had spent time farming and crafting... didn't care (though, I kind of regret it - admittedly).

I came back because I like Star Trek... and even with the garbage on the Fed side, I still have fun win or lose in FvF matches - because it's not the KDF garbage.

Giving the Feds the same garbage... wouldn't fix anything.

I'd walk away from the game... or likely end up getting banned for making Foundry missions where the goal was to destroy the Evil Cryptic Fleet - I'd make the devs all fat/ugly aliens that speak derp...
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# 9
11-01-2012, 07:35 PM
I could have gone with the I just hate spam thing - but it's not just spam.

There was a good fight off to the left that went on for a bit - got outnumbered, died. There was a good fight off to the right that went on even longer - got outplayed, died.

Then it was the ASD/AA/AMS spawn camp thing.

Even with that - it was fine. There was a guy raging about them spawn camping, but I was like whatever - they got the upper hand, they pushed it, they dominated - we'll move on to the next match.

When they started saying "gg" - I flipped out...
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# 10
11-01-2012, 06:54 PM
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What are you avoiding in F v F?? i was in a game last night getting GP for 35 sec, ams, theta, tric mines.. Dunoobs all other the place, its everywhere in the game not just k V f
No doubt. Why all the KDF spam hate drivel and hints that spam is keeping the OP and other feds from the fvking pug ques?
Its a new STO baby. The fed gots spam too.
So if OP met some KDF spam users puging the ques they where probaly expecting plenty of fed spam and where deliriuosly happg when they met a team of feds not using cheese as well.
Everybody has cheese now.
Not using it is personel choice.
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