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.....and I had forgotten just how annoying T'Pol is.

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So inhumane superweapons, mass murder, and canon nonsense is okay, but speedos are too much for some people.
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# 2
11-08-2012, 11:18 PM
My condolences
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# 3
11-08-2012, 11:32 PM
Heh,I wasn't listening to her dialougeCaptain Tapioca was the most annoying part of the show to me.
Phlox, and Malcom Reed were saving Graces in the show.
Enjoy your penance,and re-watch Voyager when you commit another crime
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# 4
11-08-2012, 11:35 PM
Would you like a nerve tonic?

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# 5
11-08-2012, 11:44 PM
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Enjoy your penance,and re-watch Voyager when you commit another crime
I didn't do it officer! I swear!

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Would you like a nerve tonic?
Several.
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So inhumane superweapons, mass murder, and canon nonsense is okay, but speedos are too much for some people.
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11-08-2012, 11:49 PM
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Several.
Hot or cold?

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# 7
11-09-2012, 07:59 AM
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Heh,I wasn't listening to her dialougeCaptain Tapioca was the most annoying part of the show to me.
Phlox, and Malcom Reed were saving Graces in the show.
Enjoy your penance,and re-watch Voyager when you commit another crime
Thing that annoyed me with Archer was that he was clearly being written to be a great captain, despite being a bad captain. Other characters treated him like an accomplished diplomat, veteran soldier, and recognized that he and his crew were formidable on any field whether as an ally or enemy.

See, Janeway I also consider a bad captain, but that aspect of Voyager was always saved in my eyes because they regularly made it look like she was being written as a bad captain - her officers actually call her on bad decisions, and she responds the way a bad captain would. A bad captain can still be a good character, when it drives conflict for example.

If you blacked out Janeway and muted her dialog and watched those scenes, you'd think, "Wow, she must be a bad captain." Then you put her in, and surprise, she's making a questionable decision and using rank to silence dissent.

If you did that with Archer, you'd think, "Wow, he must have Picard's diplomacy, Sisko's ruthlessness, and Kirk's integrity. He must be the best captain ever." Then you put him back in, and it's him literally threatening to hover a shuttle craft over a sacred tree and pee out the door (presumably blaring Flight of the Valkyries over the coms) because it's somehow the aliens' fault that his dog is sick.

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11-09-2012, 08:39 AM
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Then you put him back in, and it's him literally threatening to hover a shuttle craft over a sacred tree and pee out the door (presumably blaring Flight of the Valkyries over the coms) because it's somehow the aliens' fault that his dog is sick.
Oh gawd, my sides... that made me actually snort laughing.
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# 9
11-09-2012, 08:52 AM
I didn't mind T'Pol (cause let's face it, she was hawt), but Archer was just a whiny incompetent. Half of the missions start out with him getting himself in trouble - usually captured by someone - and his crew having to get him out of trouble. Fortunately his crew was competent. He lacked leadership skills, and carried a chip on his shoulder for anyone that he thought was questioning his command - which was everyone.
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# 10
11-09-2012, 09:08 AM
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Thing that annoyed me with Archer was that he was clearly being written to be a great captain, despite being a bad captain. Other characters treated him like an accomplished diplomat, veteran soldier, and recognized that he and his crew were formidable on any field whether as an ally or enemy.

See, Janeway I also consider a bad captain, but that aspect of Voyager was always saved in my eyes because they regularly made it look like she was being written as a bad captain - her officers actually call her on bad decisions, and she responds the way a bad captain would. A bad captain can still be a good character, when it drives conflict for example.

If you blacked out Janeway and muted her dialog and watched those scenes, you'd think, "Wow, she must be a bad captain." Then you put her in, and surprise, she's making a questionable decision and using rank to silence dissent.

If you did that with Archer, you'd think, "Wow, he must have Picard's diplomacy, Sisko's ruthlessness, and Kirk's integrity. He must be the best captain ever." Then you put him back in, and it's him literally threatening to hover a shuttle craft over a sacred tree and pee out the door (presumably blaring Flight of the Valkyries over the coms) because it's somehow the aliens' fault that his dog is sick.
Archer annoyed the snot out of me to be honest. They tried to do a Kirk with him - i.e 'I won't send an officer into a situation that I wouldn't be prepared to face myself' attitude.

And it didn't really work - there were quite a few occasions where I was left thinking "why did HE have to be one to do that?!"

Suicide Mission? Had to be him who undertook it
Dangerous situation? Had to be him who put himself in it
Experimental treatment for Klingon disease? Had to be him who tested it

Etc etc - it didn't make him look heroic, it made him look expendable. And it felt like the producers were shouting "hey, we got Scott Bakula - we have to use him in, like, EVERYTHING"!

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