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# 1 Season 7 Dev Blog #17
11-13-2012, 06:17 PM
Executive Producer Daniel Stahl discusses and answers questions about the Season 7 Dilithium changes in this entry the Season 7 News Dev Blog series.


Link to the blog.
Brandon "BranFlakes" Felczer | Former Community Team Lead for Perfect World Entertainment
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# 2
11-13-2012, 06:18 PM
Cryptic... I have defended you guys for the longest... This isn't right and you know it. So for once, play the game on the level of an average level 50 player and think...

you guys are so close...

"You know what storm" in 3...2...1...
The Average PvP player

1) Teamwork and timing is #1
2) You cannot "Kirk It" in every ship
3) You are going to die, just get back up

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# 3
11-13-2012, 06:25 PM
Quote:
Dilithium no longer directly rewarded from STF runs, but still via indirect turn-ins
After a lot of internal deliberate, we made the decision to remove Dilithium as a direct reward from STFs to make it consistent with all current and future Reputation content (for example Romulan Reputation mission do not directly reward Dilithium either). However, STFs still reward Dilithium indirectly via Omega Marks and Borg Neural Processors (Elite only) via projects in the Omega Fleet reputation.
You can engage in as much "internal deliberate" all you want, this is crap, and if you don't know it's crap, you don't deserve the income you're receiving and to be called game designers.
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# 4
11-13-2012, 06:32 PM
So the dil reward for an elite stf, the end game content, is a token worth 200 Dilithium. (When you turn in 5) Also, you have to save this token if you want to use it for the Omega gear, which requires 10? per piece.

Before, we got 1100 dilithium ore, plus tokens for gear.

If you thought we weren't refining enough before, I quite think we'll be refining less now.
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# 5
11-13-2012, 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by tachyonharmonic View Post
So the dil reward for an elite stf, the end game content, is a token worth 200 Dilithium. (When you turn in 5) Also, you have to save this token if you want to use it for the Omega gear, which requires 10? per piece.

Before, we got 1100 dilithium ore, plus tokens for gear.

If you thought we weren't refining enough before, I quite think we'll be refining less now.
100 dil. The project is meant to be 10 BNPs for 1000 dil
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# 6
11-13-2012, 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by brigadooom View Post
100 dil. The project is meant to be 10 BNPs for 1000 dil
On live it tells me that I get 1000 dilithium for 5 BNPs instead of 10.

Still bad either way.
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# 7
11-13-2012, 06:58 PM
Lying to us has worn thin, my wallets now closed until this is addressed.

You limit ways to get Dil, you increase the amount of time it takes to grind.

Stahl your math is wrong, I was able to do 8k easy on each toon in 1-2 hours. That's across 6 characters, mostly through STFs (Converting Salvage, Tech, and EDC). Being a LTS member I could even earn more than cap and not have to log onto a toon for a few days.

The system worked, people that didn't have cash... could grind and trade for Zen. People that had cash and no time could buy dil with Zen. In some cases myself included, I grinded dil for ingame things and purchased Zen when needed for the C-store.

This is a play to drive up the cost of Dilithium in the exchange, it will fail. The economy is STO is optional, it doesn't provide food, water, or shelter. At some point the market will bottom out as the conversion hits a point that isn't worth it to the player.

I hope you adjust the Marks to Dil rates....

I've been a Star Trek Fan since 1987, I was 7 years old when I first saw TNG. From that moment on I was hooked. This game is making me hate Star Trek.

You guys flat out lied to us.... we won't forget that.
I'll stop kicking that horse when the bugs fixed. Until then as a paying consumer, I will voice my opinion.
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# 8
11-13-2012, 07:02 PM
...y'know what?

I do my damnedest with every update to see things from as many points of view as possible, so I have a firm grasp on why changes are being made. And almost universally, I wind up seeing the logic behind these choices, and I roll with them. I play nice. I do my best to defend the Devs from the boneheaded forum-goers. I state my case in a calm manner when something I disagree with happens. And by God I will continue to do so. Hell, I enjoy literally every other aspect of S7 and think you guys did an amazing job on it.

But so help me, this Dilithium change has me as close to outright nerd-splosion as I can stand.

Totally removing dilithium as a direct reward from STF's is stupid. There is nice way to say it. This is a terrible, terrible idea, and the pittance you offer in exchange with the ability to turn in marks and Processors is simply insufficient. Normally I laugh off people who claim this or that will kill small fleets, but by cutting off Dil income from the sources that matter at the waist, this could very well do it.

Now, this is me we're talking about here. I'm not a hard man to please. I think the Processor redemption is, in concept, a fantastic alternative.

Neural Processors, simply put, need to be converted at at least a 2:1000 ratio, not 10:1000. Even with the slightly extra potential income from the marks conversion, the processor conversion is laughably insufficient.

This situation desperately needs to be reevaluated. You're getting nearly universal negative feedback. People who have generally been content with the changes are railing against this. You need to change this.
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# 9
11-13-2012, 06:34 PM
Explain this train of thought to me.

"People are refining a lot less Dillthium than we expected... Let's remove it directly from STF's, make it take a lot longer to get via Foundry, and remove the extra 1440 from B'tran. Now they'll refine a lot more!"
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# 10
11-13-2012, 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by jexsamx View Post
Explain this train of thought to me.

"People are refining a lot less Dillthium than we expected... Let's remove it directly from STF's, make it take a lot longer to get via Foundry, and remove the extra 1440 from B'tran. Now they'll refine a lot more!"
I'm not even going to try to make sense of any of this nonsense. It's all lies and bull****, because they just want us to buy dilithium with zen. Everything else is just blah blah blah.
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