Ensign
Join Date: Oct 2012
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# 1 Fed 0- KDF 15
11-15-2012, 07:52 AM
I played around 15-20 pvp games over the last few days before and after the update. Ive not played pvp for a long while due to how much it used to frustrate me and upon returning to pvp i remembered why i found it so infuriating.

im aware lots of people rant about things in the game that wont ever change but, the purpose of my post it more to find out if i am sharing the same thoughts as most people out there both fed and kdf.

Each game i played (not including the last game i played) the game ended 0-15 with the klingons winning in around 3-4 minutes. I understand they need the cloak, i am a huge fan of star trek and would not see the klingons any other way, baring in mind i also have 4 klingons characters. The cloak must stay, however, in the last game i played it was four fed players vs 5 klingons. the klingons played poorly as a team and the score came to 5-0 to the feds.

4 of the klingons quit, the last one cloaked and stayed cloaked for more than 10 minutes until we all quit.

its just a bad joke, the second we do well and star to win, they just cloak and hide

does anyone grap mask energy signature just so they can do the same thing?
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# 2
11-15-2012, 08:00 AM
There are lots of science ships Fedside that can break a Klink's cloak, in an AoE no less. This is even easier if you know just where they cloaked.

I don't think the game you're speaking of had much to do with Klinks/Feds, probably far more to do with terrible players who were used to facerolling and lost interest the minute they had to exert themselves.

I've seen it happen a lot with people in the siphon clownfish when I bring out my anti-spam repellent

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# 3
11-15-2012, 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by shimmerless View Post
There are lots of science ships Fedside that can break a Klink's cloak, in an AoE no less. This is even easier if you know just where they cloaked.

I don't think the game you're speaking of had much to do with Klinks/Feds, probably far more to do with terrible players who were used to facerolling and lost interest the minute they had to exert themselves.

I've seen it happen a lot with people in the siphon clownfish when I bring out my anti-spam repellent
I've always found it to be very satisfying to simply remove a siphon carrier from combat and let my TBRs continuously kill the replacement drones as they vainly try to re-exert their influence on the match. Yeah, sucks to be neutered doesn't it siphon pilots?
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We actually really don't like A2B, but it's a bit of a "third rail" situation. When we have the right fix to it, someday, we'll probably possibly maybe make it.
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# 4
11-15-2012, 08:29 AM
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I've always found it to be very satisfying to simply remove a siphon carrier from combat and let my TBRs continuously kill the replacement drones as they vainly try to re-exert their influence on the match. Yeah, sucks to be neutered doesn't it siphon pilots?
It's funny because 99.9% of them have absolutely jack squat in the way of threat or anything other than their siphons, and the Kar'fi isn't the most durable ship in the best of situations, meaning they just end up feeding like mad and contributing nothing to their team. If it were an Arena they could single-handedly lose their team the game, it's probably why so many of them won't budge from C&H.

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# 5
11-15-2012, 09:03 AM
Back in the early days KDF did not really have any content other than pvp. So you were mor ore less forced to pvp your way up to 50. That resulted in much more experience on the average KDF player.
These days things are different. But you still need a fed char first. Also there are less quests on the KDF side so you might still try to lvl a bit with pvp. While I don't think the difference is a big as it was I still have the feeling the average KDF player has more experience than the average fed.

Also there might be a disadvantage concerning ships. Now while the federation offers top escorts and sci ships it kind of lacks cruisers other than healers. The most popular ship from the shows is likely a cruiser, the enterprise.
Building a fed dmg cruiser is challenging. Most people don't want to be a healer or supporter. Most people don't even heal their teammates. So many feds sit in their cruiser, that can't support and can't do dmg and are pretty useless.

Now I sorry to hear that your enemys quit the arena. There should be a leaver penalty but I don't think there will ever be one. Most of the time I see feds quiting but there are black sheep everywhere.
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# 6
11-15-2012, 09:13 AM
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I've always found it to be very satisfying to simply remove a siphon carrier from combat and let my TBRs continuously kill the replacement drones as they vainly try to re-exert their influence on the match. Yeah, sucks to be neutered doesn't it siphon pilots?
Not really. It doesn't suck any worse than being TB'ed to a stand still.
I'm just glad somebody, like yourself, has come at the issue by making a anti-spam builds rather than just biotching endlessly about the drones that are slated to be fixed.
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# 7
11-15-2012, 12:49 PM
The answer is very simple:

The bad guys are always skilled players, our Fed cruisers in an offensive role suck, the KDF has more efficient attacking ships with battle cloak and universal Boffs, the average Fed cares nothing for crosshealing and teamworking, and...most of all...we Feds don't have hot Orion chicks...evil Klinguns!
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Ensign
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# 8
11-16-2012, 07:15 AM
I figured a really simple solution! i only que against other fed players now, all in all it seems much more fun. in my head i just pretend they are alternate universe federation lol

i won the last 3 matches in a row. the last match was very close 15-14. Pvp seems fun again.

As a klingon waiting for pvp seems to take forever, now i see why! no wants to fight the klingons lol
Ensign
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# 9
11-15-2012, 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by shimmerless View Post
There are lots of science ships Fedside that can break a Klink's cloak, in an AoE no less. This is even easier if you know just where they cloaked.

I don't think the game you're speaking of had much to do with Klinks/Feds, probably far more to do with terrible players who were used to facerolling and lost interest the minute they had to exert themselves.

I've seen it happen a lot with people in the siphon clownfish when I bring out my anti-spam repellent
yeh youre right, im aware there is AoE cloak detection and attack patterns which reduce stealth etc etc. im in a oddyssey cruiser and they are in a bop, they flew away really fast and i even had my impulse drive console thingy from the gladius inserted. i kept up for a while but once they get away they simply cloak and hide anywhere on the map. even if i caught them and killed them once they respawn they can just cloak and hide anywhere on the huge map. there isnt a single thing you can do if a klingon player wants to cloak and avoid confrontation.

i have to disagree, while im not saying all klingon players do this, i know for a fact that they do not because i play klingons. if i was the last player i wouldnt charge in i would use jungle warfare tactics, hit and run (and probably lose) but i wouldnt just hide.

feds losing 15-0 over and over though, thats also an issue that im complaining about i just wanted to know if this has been experienced by anyone else...the majority of games going to the klingons.
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# 10
11-15-2012, 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by sentinal3131 View Post
yeh youre right, im aware there is AoE cloak detection and attack patterns which reduce stealth etc etc. im in a oddyssey cruiser and they are in a bop, they flew away really fast and i even had my impulse drive console thingy from the gladius inserted. i kept up for a while but once they get away they simply cloak and hide anywhere on the map. even if i caught them and killed them once they respawn they can just cloak and hide anywhere on the huge map. there isnt a single thing you can do if a klingon player wants to cloak and avoid confrontation.

i have to disagree, while im not saying all klingon players do this, i know for a fact that they do not because i play klingons. if i was the last player i wouldnt charge in i would use jungle warfare tactics, hit and run (and probably lose) but i wouldnt just hide.

feds losing 15-0 over and over though, thats also an issue that im complaining about i just wanted to know if this has been experienced by anyone else...the majority of games going to the klingons.
As a mostly KDF Q'er, feds have a huge amount of afkers and suicide runners, atm. It's absolutely abhorrent that this is allowed, has been allowed, and remains to be allowed.

That said, you could always try to get a group of carebears rolling and you may have more fun. If you have teamspeak, I can give you our info and you can team fed side with us sometime, if you would like. It's a completely different experience with some good scis/healers against knotheads ;p
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