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So, we've been hearing bits and pieces about season 8, and what it might mean for the Klingon side.

On one end, we have the Fed v Klingon war. On the other, we have our two powers vs very nearly everyone else in the whole galaxy and beyond.

My thoughts are more on how this will affect the Klingons. On one end, the Federation is still plagued with the honorless Undine infiltrating their ranks. As such, there should be no peace until the Undine are purged out of the Federation, completely. On the other end though, there are other threats still looming, primarily the Iconians of course, but more on the direct home front, the Tal Shiar controlled by them.

Hakeev might be gone, but it doesn't mean that the Tal Shiar isn't strong, not to mention might be the most powerful espionage group currently in the known powers.

Really, the Federation and Klingons ARE the defense against the Iconians and anyone they manipulate. Romulans outside of the Tal Shiar are broken into a bunch of groups still. Cardassians are still building themselves back after the Dominion War, the Breen are pretty much doing their own thing, the Deferi are combating both the Breen and Borg. The Borg have been majorly weakened because of the attack on Unimatrix 01, and much less of a threat. Plus the more recent incursions by Tholians.

All that together combines into one doozy of a war-front. Even so, it'd be best for the game to end the Fed-Klingon war on a good, solid ending. A few missions (at end game) that'd pretty much put an end to this by getting rid of the Undine in the Federation and such.

Once that happens, we can just explain PvP and such with something like 'Section 31 manipulations, rogue Klingons, border skirmishes, or something else'.

Then and only then would the war ending be more acceptable to both sides and also allow the story to move past it as such.


But this is all presuming that's what will happen in season 8 to begin with.

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# 2
11-25-2012, 12:20 AM
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Originally Posted by mimey2 View Post
So, we've been hearing bits and pieces about season 8, and what it might mean for the Klingon side.
It means nothing.
http://sto.perfectworld.com/news/?p=769201

In two weeks it went from "Season 8 will be the KDF season" to "I'm not allowed to do anything for the KDF but I'll keep rooting for you guys!".

Sorry to be the bringer of bad news.
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# 3 Context
11-25-2012, 02:28 AM
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Q: (ebrithil1) As much as I love all the new content you've been pushing out for the Feds, I like my Klingons too. When can we expect to see you fulfill the promise you made to expand the content on the red side?

Dstahl: Personally, I?m still very committed to ensuring the KDF has levels 1-50, more so than I can even publicly talk about because it would involve going into details about all the internal conversations I?ve had within the company about this topic. It is my goal as EP to make this happen and the only thing that I can give you is that I?m fighting for it and want to do it. It just isn?t official yet.

Q: (ehgato) Can the Orions have their own bridge design? They currently use a standard Klingon bridge.

Dstahl: So far, we?ve only been able to build a few special replica bridges per year, but this is one of the bridges that we agree would be nice to have on the KDF side. We have long term plans to make some Gorn episodes, and in fact Season 7 was originally going to take place on the Gorn Homeworld, but was changed to New Romulus for reasons that will be revealed later. When we do come back and visit the Gorn (and possibly the Voth as well) we will get the opportunity to throw non-Klingon bridges onto the schedule.

Q: (ocp011) I was curious as to what exciting new additions are on the horizon?

Dstahl: Well? The updated and exhilarating Winter Event is coming up in early December ? there will be a new limited time ship associated with that along with tons of new prizes and events (including PvP snowball fights). In January we will be releasing a modern Federation Andorian ship, which looks amazing, but harkens back to the familiar design. In February, there will be the 3 Year Anniversary ship rewards, followed by the next lock box ship (which hasn?t been announced yet). We also have some costumes and Lobi store updates coming, as well as more missions related to Season 7. So plenty of stuff on the horizon!

Q: (vawlkus) Please tell me there?s a timeline to get Klingon?s back to starting at level 1. I flat our refuse to start a new character at level 20. Even if the missions aren?t there, let us figure out our way upwards.

Dstahl: Totally agree with you and I?m working on it getting it approved and have been ever since I returned as EP. I?m not giving up on this.

Q: (jonathanferro) Will we ever see a Klingon only adventure zone or Feature Episode series?

Dstahl: The expectation is that we will see more Adventure zones, and if we redo the Klingon Tutorial and early levels, we will most likely use a KDF exclusive adventure zone to do some of it. There are some Klingon only Episodes we are discussing but we haven?t set a timeframe that we can share with you yet.
I think that by and large this is positive, a much as it could be.
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# 4
11-25-2012, 06:06 AM
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I think that by and large this is positive, a much as it could be.
No it is pure BS to keep KDF players playing with no real intention to do anything - he has said again and again that it's just not worth it to them.

So his job as EP is to say whatever BS to keep people thinking there is light at the end of the tunnel when there is none.

He is Exexcutive producer - but -can't say anything for sure - why? Who makes the decisions?

He is the EP - but can't say when? Why- who makes the decisions?

He says the buck stops with him and PWE does not get involved and all decisions have to be approved by him - but he is "fighing" to get the KDF done - fighing with who?

It's a lot of Horse ****

Shame on all of you for being fooled for the 1000th time.

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# 5
11-26-2012, 08:51 PM
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No it is pure BS to keep KDF players playing with no real intention to do anything - he has said again and again that it's just not worth it to them.

So his job as EP is to say whatever BS to keep people thinking there is light at the end of the tunnel when there is none.

He is Exexcutive producer - but -can't say anything for sure - why? Who makes the decisions?

He is the EP - but can't say when? Why- who makes the decisions?

He says the buck stops with him and PWE does not get involved and all decisions have to be approved by him - but he is "fighing" to get the KDF done - fighing with who?

It's a lot of Horse ****

Shame on all of you for being fooled for the 1000th time.

"Fool me once - shame on you! Fool me twice - shame on me!"
Well shame on me 1001 times.

Actually I believe him. Well sorta.

I remember hearing that when PWE people started to tour Cryptic and got to see the engine and play the game they were appalled by the state of both PvP and the KDF. I mean given how Asian games tend to rely on PvP for endgame content and most PvP games work best with a couple of factions.

I have no clue who he is fighting other than the actual, "I only play Fed and only PvE" crowd that defines the vast majority of this game's population.

So season after season the KDF and PvP get pushed back further to the back the burners and ignored while they try to prove they can make a monetary model for free to play that works for PvE players that only play Feds.

So now Stahl comes in Red Alert chat and says they are toying with the idea of FKvFK PvP matches and I can't help but wonder if this signals the true direction for STO committing to a single faction game with a little more PvP support, (ala Neverwinter Nights), than we have right now.

[REDALERT] <Dev> Oaks@dstahl: Going back to PvP and Faction balance - one of the design ideas on the table to balance the factions is to allow players of either faction to align themselves with the other for the purpose of PvP
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# 6
11-27-2012, 06:10 AM
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Well shame on me 1001 times.

Actually I believe him. Well sorta.
Shamefully part of me does to... Its a fault my Dominimatrix pokes fun at me often about.....I just want STO to be the complete Star Trek experience.....

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I remember hearing that when PWE people started to tour Cryptic and got to see the engine and play the game they were appalled by the state of both PvP and the KDF.....
I remember hearing that as well. The most recent rumor I heard was that after the success of STO at the Vegascon DS was hyper to see more "noise" about the KDF to let the bigwigs at PWE know that we are a vibrant and desired faction. Its why I started my campaign of "lifting them up" right after the convention and this rumor came my way.

Its still something I support. I think a complete KDF faction will only enhance the game. I hold the same opinion for the RSE as well.

I still believe that they can make STO the paragon of star trek games and include all fans eventually but I am continually shocked and dismayed by the constant setbacks, excuses and downright blaiming of the fanbase at times for the poor reprensentation the KDF or any non-fed faction has in STO.
I, like many, expected such excuses and setbacks to disapeer when they finally got out from under Atari and where picked up by PWE. We looked expectantly for a revival that never quite came the full distance......

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So now Stahl comes in Red Alert chat and says they are toying with the idea of FKvFK PvP matches and I can't help but wonder if this signals the true direction for STO committing to a single faction game with a little more PvP support, (ala Neverwinter Nights), than we have right now.

[REDALERT] <Dev> Oaks@dstahl: Going back to PvP and Faction balance - one of the design ideas on the table to balance the factions is to allow players of either faction to align themselves with the other for the purpose of PvP
I still hate this idea just for the fact it ignores the backstory then moves the player into a setting that is diametricly opposite the backstory without explanation of why we went from war to peace between to factions.
Its not like teh stories ingame allows the player to discover the Undine/Iconian threat and be that " Dark Hero" that pitted against his own government fights to do the right and save us all.


As I have said before, its easy for me to hang around and wait to see if the KDF ever comes to thier own.
I just feel bad for those whom enter and quickly learn that the game is more commerce than story or become an imbittered, untrusting member of the community like myself.
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# 7
12-09-2012, 06:25 AM
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Originally Posted by piwright42 View Post
So now Stahl comes in Red Alert chat and says they are toying with the idea of FKvFK PvP matches and I can't help but wonder if this signals the true direction for STO committing to a single faction game with a little more PvP support, (ala Neverwinter Nights), than we have right now.

[REDALERT] <Dev> Oaks@dstahl: Going back to PvP and Faction balance - one of the design ideas on the table to balance the factions is to allow players of either faction to align themselves with the other for the purpose of PvP
Makes sense to me, storywise. At this point they really should just end this war already. We have temporary ceasefires like every few weeks. You can't get any decisive war-related stuff done in such short time frames.
The war has become absolutely pointless.
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# 8
11-25-2012, 07:06 AM
If we get something that is good, if not I won't be disappointed. So far playing KDF has been very lacking. Just now getting to the Breen story line. There could been so much done. Granted I hadn't saw the newest parts they added to the game yet. Hopefully it will be a little better.

Ships with nothing really new since I first got on back in spring. I looked at a couple other KDF ships from the C-store. So I might buy one soon. Seeing the current state of the KDF has me kinda so-so about buying ships and much stuff from the faction. If it improves I will be more happy to get more with KDF. Like a 2nd Capt., etc.

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# 9
11-25-2012, 07:22 AM
Q: Whats coming for the KDF in season 8 ?

Dstahl: Beads, Whiskey and Polio infected Blankets.....
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# 10
11-25-2012, 08:10 AM
Honestly, after seeing Season 7's "Content" and the festival of returning bugs it spawned, I'm honestly not sure I WANT DStahl and Co. to touch the KDF.

I'm not sure they wouldn't issue out more damage to the faction, than their present policy of neglect, to be quite honest, and I'm REALLY not sure I could stomach "Farmville on Qo'nos" or "Poke-Qo'Nos" and more disgustingly saccharine cute animals, incompetent peasants, and menial tasks (See: New Romulus).

Maybe they should just keep their damn hands off, tbh.
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