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Ensign
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 23
At first excuse my Bad English i'am from Germany.

I would like it to see more Rank Insignias for Starfleet Officers.

For Exampel we Have Cadet Ranks but only on the Acadamy Uniform.

It where cool to add these to all Uniforms,also new Ranks were fine for exampel Fleet Captain and also i think adding Crewman and enlisted Personal Ranks.

Another wish adding somethink like this for a Starfleet Marine Corpse in STO,also with Crewman and enlisted Ranks (Maybe with a Z-Store Marines Uniform Pack like the Jupiter Pack)

http://shadowdragonfleet.webs.com/ma...for%20site.jpg


And at last please let use Choose what Style of Rank Insignia we use on every uniform (Think some Jupteruniforms will look nice with the Enterprise Mirror epaulettes)
Starfleet Veteran
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 581
# 2
11-29-2012, 04:26 PM
The Federation is an exploratory coalition with ships happening to be outfitted with weapons for defense. It doesn't need a marine force.
Survivor of Romulus
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 4,593
# 3
11-29-2012, 04:35 PM
Macos ARE a Marine force
Captain
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 883
# 4
11-29-2012, 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by supergaminggeek View Post
The Federation is an exploratory coalition with ships happening to be outfitted with weapons for defense. It doesn't need a marine force.
This. People need to get over the idea that Starfleet is a military organization just because its rank system mirrors the Navy. it is not, Gene Roddenberry even said Starfleet is an exploratory unit, not a Military Organization.

I do like the idea of enlisted ranks, but the problem is they are hard to create as there is no canon resources to back up what they would look like. Since to my best knowledge the only enlisted personnel ever mention/featured in Star Trek was Chief Miles O'Brien. (which they do have the Chief insignia)
Lieutenant
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 76
# 5
11-29-2012, 11:23 PM
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Originally Posted by voyagerfan9751 View Post
This. People need to get over the idea that Starfleet is a military organization just because its rank system mirrors the Navy. it is not, Gene Roddenberry even said Starfleet is an exploratory unit, not a Military Organization.
Have you played any Episode Mission lately? I tried to "roleplay" a char and play all missions, really reading everything and taking my time. I stopped when I was told to kill all Klingons near the Federation ambassadors, just to "avoid beaming them up accidentally". STO's Starfleet has nothing to do with Gene Rodenberry's. Could have been so easy for them. Stun them on the Ground, disable ships instead of blowing everything up...

This is more like Star Trek Online - Mirror Universe. So yes, we need Marines...
Survivor of Romulus
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 555
# 6
11-30-2012, 12:46 AM
Crewman Enrique Muniz from DS9
Yeoman Janice Rand from TOS (later Master Chief Petty Officer Rand)
Petty Officer First Class Strath (ST:VI - The Undiscovered Country)
Petty Officer Zim Brott from DS9
Chief Petty Officer Sergey Rozhenko from TNG
All of the above are enlisted ranks (with O'Brien being Senior Chief Petty Officer) whether their rank pins were seen or not (as given in dialogue).

Personally, I'm not bothered by ranks below a toon's starting point (ensign) I really want higher ranks brought in to mix things up a bit.
Fleet Captain after Captain since we are likely to be highly decorated Captains given the shear number of battles we take part in.
Commodore after Fleet Captain as the first rank of line officer before the Amdiral ranks. I know Commodore fell out of use in Star Trek but there is no reason why, with Starfleet's swelling ranks, it would not be reintroduced.
I for one would not object to waiting two more ranks to be an Admiral... makes more sense than having a bunch of Admirals taking it to the Borg, Undine, Iconians, Remans, Breen, Romulans, True Way, Klingons, etc., etc., ad nauseum...

Just my 2 pence worth...
Captain
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 2,492
# 7
11-30-2012, 02:49 AM
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Originally Posted by drowrulesupreme View Post
Fleet Captain after Captain since we are likely to be highly decorated Captains given the shear number of battles we take part in.
Commodore after Fleet Captain as the first rank of line officer before the Amdiral ranks. I know Commodore fell out of use in Star Trek but there is no reason why, with Starfleet's swelling ranks, it would not be reintroduced.
Did Fleet Captain exist in ST?
We have Commodore, it's just called Rear Admiral Lower Half.
I agree though rename the lower half one Commodore and the upper half one Rear Admiral.

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Career Officer
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 383
# 8 Ranks in the Tailor
12-26-2012, 06:41 AM
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Originally Posted by drowrulesupreme View Post
Crewman Enrique Muniz from DS9
Yeoman Janice Rand from TOS (later Master Chief Petty Officer Rand)
Petty Officer First Class Strath (ST:VI - The Undiscovered Country)
Petty Officer Zim Brott from DS9
Chief Petty Officer Sergey Rozhenko from TNG
All of the above are enlisted ranks (with O'Brien being Senior Chief Petty Officer) whether their rank pins were seen or not (as given in dialogue).
Some of this can actually be done with the rank insignia we already have in game. Crewman would simply be no pips, and we do have a Chief insignia (one "half" pip). We also have Lieutenant Junior Grade as well (one and a half pips).

Personally, I would like to see rank insignia for Commodore. It's canon, but hasn't been mentioned since TOS. I'm OK with the Rear Admiral Lower/Upper Half that we have, since that's what the U.S. Navy currently uses. I just read the Wikpedia article on Commodore, and it sounds to me like it's essentially equivalent to "Fleet Captain", more of a title than a rank.

Finally, it would be cool if we could choose where to display rank insignia -- sleeve braid (TOS), collar pips (TNG/DS9/VOY), chest pips (ENT, 2409), or epaulets (ENT mirror). Or any combination thereof.
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Lt. Commander
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 163
# 9
11-30-2012, 12:44 AM
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Originally Posted by voyagerfan9751 View Post
This. People need to get over the idea that Starfleet is a military organization just because its rank system mirrors the Navy.
I think it was more the 5-10 wars Starfleet has been the sole Federation beligerants in over the 'past' 200 years that really push people to consider Starfleet the Federation's military.

Everything I have seen on ANY show, Starfleet is responsible for both space and planetary security.

They may not be a military in the traditional sense as they lack force projection, but they are certainly more than an 'exploratory group'.

500 years in the future and we still look like schmucks when getting our ID photos taken...
Survivor of Romulus
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 801
# 10
12-26-2012, 01:27 AM
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Originally Posted by voyagerfan9751 View Post
This. People need to get over the idea that Starfleet is a military organization just because its rank system mirrors the Navy. it is not, Gene Roddenberry even said Starfleet is an exploratory unit, not a Military Organization.
One of Roddenberry's greatest mistakes was that he never really definitively laid out all the different parts of the "United Federation of Planets" and Starfleet. Please excuse me for not remembering exactly what episodes for the difference series, but there are references throughout the canon ST series/movies that somewhat fill in the blanks. For example Each Planet in the Federation can have it's own defense force, so if you look at the M.A.C.O. from that view point it gets alot easier to figure out.

Structure:

|----|-----United Federation of Planets
| |
| |-----M.A.C.O--------|
| |
|----------Starfleet--------|--------|
|
|-------Civilian



1) United Federation of Planets: Top of the whole "Command" Chain

2) M.A.C.O: Earth's Defense Force. A separate organization within the Federation specific to Earth. deploy-able to Starfleet when the need arises, but ultimately answer to the Federation.

3)Starfleet: The exploration organization of Starfleet. Ultimately answer to the Federation Council.

4) Civilians: Anything from Cargo Vessels to Research facilities/vessels. For example the Raven that the Hanson's used to study the borg.
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