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# 1 Vesta or Odyssey?
12-17-2012, 06:05 PM
I just about have enough points to get one of the ship bundles. I have a level 50 in all classes.

Give me some insight on the pluses and minuses of each, please.
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# 2
12-17-2012, 06:30 PM
I have both bundles and love them both. My Engi use the Ody for tanking and it's a joy to use. Turns like crap, and has all the other negatives other Cruisers have, but it's definitely fun to captain. There are a lot of posts already on which version is best, but ultimately it depends on how you intend to use it, however, don't expect it to ever be a dps machine. Tank, healer/support - definitely one of the best cruisers to use until you get to T5 Fleet ships, imho.

I was never a Science fan, that is until the Vesta. I actually prefer it at times over my Ody and 'scort. The Aux Canons with rear turrets and CRF combined with sci skills and the vesta's consoles make this a great hybrid ship. Again, it won't ever top the charts in dps, but that's not what it's meant to do. Traffic control, support, with a decent amount of dps to boot makes this worth having. But I will admit some of my fellow fleet mates have not been as thrilled as me. They were expecting more of a scort-like ship. I don't have the Wells but the Vesta is definitely my favorite sci ship.

In the end it really boils down to what kind of a captain you are at heart. Very different ships with very different purposes. But if you're indifferent to sci/sci v eng/cruiser, you can't go wrong with either pick. GL and enjoy!
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# 3
12-17-2012, 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by fr8monkey View Post
I just about have enough points to get one of the ship bundles. I have a level 50 in all classes.

Give me some insight on the pluses and minuses of each, please.
The most important question is:

What do you feel your play-style is like?
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# 4
12-17-2012, 06:52 PM
I have been playing TAC 98% of the time. Use the Tactical Escort Retrofit with quad phaser cannon, Dual heavy cannon and dual phasers. Lots of fun! (can you say BOOM?)

My ENG has the original Odyssey with Phaser relays (for broadsides at distance) and heavy healing ability.

SCI has the Cation carrier; but I am still getting the hang of using it.
Just wanting to get some ideas...
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# 5
12-19-2012, 12:34 AM
The Vesta deals a lot more damage than any other Sci ship available (due to being able to equip DHCs), while the Odyssey isn't significantly better than another cruiser.
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# 6
12-19-2012, 01:22 AM
Odyssey is a heck of a tank and support ship, but the Vesta's extra speed and cannon-mounts makes it a lot more versatile.
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# 7
12-19-2012, 03:39 AM
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Originally Posted by thepantsparty View Post
The Vesta deals a lot more damage than any other Sci ship available (due to being able to equip DHCs), while the Odyssey isn't significantly better than another cruiser.
QFT^

to be fair, imo the odyssey is the best cruiser, because it is a bit more versitile than the others. however the vesta (pack) has much more to offer, and more versitality
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# 8
12-19-2012, 04:37 AM
First, I preface this post with the saying - fly whatever fits your playstyle. Who cares how fancy the ship is, if you don't fly it in the way that maximizes it's (and your) potential...

On that note - as mentioned before, the biggest thing the Odyssey has going for it over any other cruiser in the game is the 3 piece console set, a universal BOff or two, and maybe (not 100% certain) having 10 console slots. If you're an ace cruiser pilot, then by all means get this ship.

The Vesta, on the other hand, has quite a few features that put it above any other Science ship in the game - it's own 3 piece set like the Oddy, 10 console slots, only science ship that can mount DCs/DHCs, hangar bay, 2 universal BOff slots (LtCmdr 3 slot & Ens. 1 slot).

As a Sci captain, I got the Vesta and don't regret the purchase at all. Yeah, she's not an escort, but I didn't want an escort. Science ship turn rate is almost, but not quite as good as an escort, hull is even more papery than a 'scorts, and she's almost as slow on low engine power as a cruiser. Meanwhile, the shields are some of the best in the game. Aux cannons let me maintain a high Aux to benefit my Sci powers, it puts out some of the best DPS I've ever tossed from a Science ship, especially with the deflector-based "phaser lance" console, and slotting danubes in the hangar gives me decent enough pet DPS and a tractor beam to enhance my DPS. I slotted the Universal BOffs in a very Luna style (Science in the LtCmdr slot & Tactical in the Ensign slot, which with the Cmdr Sci, Lt Engie, Lt Tac is a 100% match to the Luna) which is one of my favorite power sets, but you can slot it in a method that maximizes your playstyle...
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Still at it. CBS "restrictions" fell by wayside with freebie Breen. Time to re-examine ENT and ToS at tier 5, repurpose the Connie into Sci and rebuild an Akira escort into the "NX". 6 "eras", spread evenly over all the classes...
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# 9
12-24-2012, 10:08 AM
imho

Bortas'qu > Odyssey > Vesta



Bortas'qu looks better while shooting Weapons [turrets turrets everywhere!], Odyssey has BEAMS coming from the rear end tip of the nacelles (looks utterly silly if you broadside imho, weapon hardpoints do not belong on warp nacelles, thats like a car shooting from its tires!),
also the 3 Consoles do not cancel each other out by cooldown but work better together!

Odyssey is better than the Vesta because the 3 Variants are actually different, the 3 Vesta Variants are all the same and only have minor alibi differences,
Console Slots are a bit different but don't matter if you have one more Tac/Sci/Eng slot, because you can just swap the UNIVERSAL consoles around like you need it anyway,
and Energy levels can be adjusted manually so initial Powerlevel Boni don't really matter.
So you are buying 3x the same ship with a different Skin and Pay2Win consoles.
BOff Slots are all the Same.

and personally i tried the Vesta but i don't like the visuals of the console powers.

and to top it off, the Odyssey just looks more detailed than the Vesta.
I guess thats a Captain Logan vs. JamzJamz quality thing...

JamzJamz makes good ships, but he usually leaves the bottom and the rear end with very few Details (observed on Armitage too). The Oddy has a strong detailed rear end and bottom hull, looks like a real Ship to me and not some Polygon faximile of a Ship, the Vesta gives me OCD when i look at it from behind with it's lack of rear end detail.


In the End... Vesta is not fun if you don't like Science Ships / Skills, if you already fly a Nebula or Intrepid and love them, than the Vesta might be for you.

Oddy + Bortas'qu are more adaptable than the Vesta and good for Engineer and Tac Captains and works for Sci Captains too.
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# 10
12-25-2012, 05:45 PM
I am primarily a science captain. I fly a lot of ships at VA level, as I am a generalist. I use a universal skill build and have a lot of extra boff slots so that I can enjoy STO in what ever way I feel like without having to grind out everything multiple times across multiple characters.

If I had to give up all my ships but one I would have to keep either the 1000 day ship or the tactical Vesta. The Vesta simply has fantastic utility.

Cannons running off auxiliary power mean full damage output and science powers at twice their normal power as couple of turrets and a torpedo or mine launcher in the rear will draw so little weapons power you can run with that at minimum and full power to aux.

The Odyssey pack is grate value for money. Its a fantastic cruiser. But at the end of the day a commander level science ability is more useful then a commander level engineering ability.

The Vesta's DPS potential against both single and multiple targets is far grater then that of the Odyssey. The universal consoles the Vesta comes with are better then those of the Odyssey. The Vesta has a hanger. The Vesta is more manoeuvrable. The Vesta has three separate appearances with interchangeable parts (but doesn't have a unique bridge like the Odyssey does).

If you want to take the most damage it is possible to take fly an Odyssey. If you want to dedicate your ship to repairing the hull and shields of your team mates fly an Odyssey. If you don't like how the Vesta looks fly an Odyssey. Otherwise go with the Vesta.

Last edited by pwstolemyname; 12-25-2012 at 05:48 PM.
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