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It may be that I'm not reading the information correctly, or that I'm not taking something into account here, but having been looking over the stats for the Chel Grett earlier, I've come to the conclusion that it pretty much powers over any other escort in the game, including those of the fleet variety.

The Breen Warship Stats:
Bridge Officers: Lt. Tactical, Cmd Tactical, Lt. Engineering, Lt. Cmd Science and Uni Ensign
Hull ~ 36000
Shield Modifier ~ 1.0
Crew ~ 360
Turn Rate ~ 13
Fore Weapons ~ x4
Aft Weapons ~ x4
Tactical Console Slots ~ x4
Engineering Console Slots ~ x3
Science Console Slots ~ x3
Device Slots ~ x3
Price ~ essentially free

The Fleet Patrol Escort:
Bridge Officers: Cmd Tactical, Lt. Cmd Tactical, Lt. Engineering, Lt. Science and Uni Ensign
Hull ~ 34100
Shield Modifier ~ 0.99
Crew ~ 200
Turn Rate ~ 16
Fore Weapons ~ x4
Aft Weapons ~ x3
Tactical Console Slots ~ x4
Engineering Console Slots ~ x4
Science Console Slots ~ x2
Device Slots ~ x2
Price ~ x4 Ship Modules and 20,000 Fleet Credits

Fleet Tactical Escort Retrofit (Defiant):
Bridge Officers: Cmd Tactical, Lt. Cmd Tactical, Ensign Tactical, Lt. Engineering, and Lt. Science
Hull ~ 33000
Shield Modifier ~ 0.9
Crew ~ 50
Turn Rate ~ 17
Fore Weapons ~ x4
Aft Weapons ~ x3
Tactical Console Slots ~ x5
Engineering Console Slots ~ x3
Science Console Slots ~ x2
Device Slots ~ x2
Price ~ x4 Ship Modules and 20,000 Fleet Credits

Fleet Advanced Escort (Prometheus):
Bridge Officers: Cmd Tactical, Lt. Tactical, Ensign Tactical, Lt. Engineering, and Lt. Cmd Science
Hull ~ 34100
Shield Modifier ~ 0.99
Crew ~ 150
Turn Rate ~ 16
Fore Weapons ~ x4
Aft Weapons ~ x3
Tactical Console Slots ~ x5
Engineering Console Slots ~ x2
Science Console Slots ~ x3
Device Slots ~ x2
Price ~ x4 Ship Modules and 20,000 Fleet Credits

Fleet Heavy Escort Carrier (Akira):
Bridge Officers: Cmd Tactical, Lt. Tactical, Ensign Tactical, Lt. Cmd Engineering, and Lt. Science
Hull ~ 35200
Shield Modifier ~ 0.99
Crew ~ 200
Turn Rate ~ 15
Fore Weapons ~ x4
Aft Weapons ~ x3
Tactical Console Slots ~ x4
Engineering Console Slots ~ x3
Science Console Slots ~ x3
Device Slots ~ x2
Price ~ x4 Ship Modules and 20,000 Fleet Credits

With the Breen vessel having the stats it does, I don't see any practical Tactical-favoring player the need to purchase any Fleet Escort. Compared (for what they can do) I'd say the Breen ship sits on top of them all quite comfortably. Short of the turn rate, and in some instances the hull, it's laughing at all the other escorts whilst being able to admirably do their job in the process.

I always assumed the Breen Chel Grett, along with the D'Kora and Galor (ect) were comparable to Your Lower Admiral ships, and thus not up to scratch with Fleet Ships. It seems I have been mistaken. I unlocked this ship earlier (finished off the purchase with Lobi) and was surprised to find the stats as they are.

Surely this isn't intended? If it was, then Cryptic are going to find themselves short of Fleet Escort sales over the coming months cause people, quite simply aren't going to need them.

Last edited by flash525; 12-26-2012 at 08:14 AM. Reason: Bridge Officers
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# 2
12-26-2012, 07:54 AM
Lockbox style ships are and always have been, superior to every other ship.
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12-26-2012, 07:54 AM
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It may be that I'm not reading the information correctly, or that I'm not taking something into account here, but having been looking over the stats for the Chel Grett earlier, I've come to the conclusion that it pretty much powers over any other escort in the game, including those of the fleet variety.
How does the boff layout compare?
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12-26-2012, 08:01 AM
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Lockbox style ships are and always have been, superior to every other ship.
I knew they were superior to the normal Tier 5 vessels, but I had always thought that the Fleet Ships were superior to the Lock Box ships.

As we now have it, it seems that Starfleets most powerful vessels are all of alien (or future) design. How did this ever get passed off by CBS?

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How does the boff layout compare?
Added. Sorry.
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12-26-2012, 08:05 AM
Turn rate isn't nearly as good either.
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12-26-2012, 08:10 AM
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I knew they were superior to the normal Tier 5 vessels, but I had always thought that the Fleet Ships were superior to the Lock Box ships.

As we now have it, it seems that Starfleets most powerful vessels are all of alien (or future) design. How did this ever get passed off by CBS?
You people complain about the damnedest things.
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12-27-2012, 02:34 AM
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I knew they were superior to the normal Tier 5 vessels, but I had always thought that the Fleet Ships were superior to the Lock Box ships.
Some can be on par , but the superior bit can be debated , as there is also the user playstyle & equipment that's in question .

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As we now have it, it seems that Starfleets most powerful vessels are all of alien (or future) design. How did this ever get passed off by CBS?
Actually that's a bit incorrect .
The Jem'Hadar Bug ship is at least 30+ years old design
Same w/the Galor .
I have no idea what the time-stamp / date is on this version of the Chel Garrett -- but per canon it could also be a 30+ year old ship .

But if you think that's ridiculous , consider that in the first 2 years of the game , the King of Cruisers was the Excelsior ... , a ship from the 23rd century and something that was at least 100 years old .
The same ship is soon to be a "contender" once more when it's T5 version gets released .

Now tell me if that makes any sense ?

As to CBS ... yeah , right , whatever , they are soooo involved .... .

But ... having said all that , from a player POV , I am glad that some of the "old molds" (Excelsior , Galaxy and others) get a "refit" in their T5 Fleet version to make them viable again (even as the poor Galaxy get's gimped again w/weak fire power) .

In the end , STO stopped making sense on many fronts long ago .
I am loosing STO with each new system based update and with each removal and editing of content .
I don't know how to save her from her systems obsessed masters who seek to control and monetize me more and more .

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12-27-2012, 09:56 AM
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As to CBS ... yeah , right , whatever , they are soooo involved .... .
Again, I think they are, somewhat.

But they are viewing things not in terms of keeping the canon (nor is Cryptic) but in terms of marketing the toyline.

CBS' concern would not be people flying Breen ships but people confusing Breen ships for Starfleet designs, which would create brand confusion.

CBS is probably also interested in licensing multiple Star Trek MMOs, given what we saw with Infinite Space, and so is probably likely to approve things that would not make that difficult and reject things that would make that difficult.

Probably the easiest two other licenses they could sell would be Dominion Wars themed (and they had one floating out there with Infinite Space) and TOS themed.

The T1 Connie does less to make it difficult for CBS to sell a TOS MMO license to another studio. A T5 version would make it more difficult. CBS probably wants to keep it in the background here so as not to conflict with making more licensing money from other game studios who would pay them to release a TOS game.

That doesn't mean the game gets made. It means CBS can make money off the option, basically, and nobody would want the option if TOS is too well represented here.
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12-27-2012, 10:37 AM
Wouldn't it be nice if cryptic let us costume our new cruiser with skins from other ships we already own ?
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# 10
12-26-2012, 08:03 AM
Can the breen ship fit cannons?
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