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-=Miyu's Multi-Mission Strategic Explorer Guide=-

Hi, this is my attempt at a guide on how to build a PvP torpedo Vesta, first off, I'd like to make it known that I haven't been playing very long, I joined during September 2012 and had to figure out most of what I know by myself through trial and error with help from a parser , I spent millions of energy credits into build ideas and some of them were good, and some were pretty terrible, I have read through a lot of the general guides on the forums and they give very good and sound advice, and I would recommend anyone new that is reading this to do the same, anyway, my intention was to create a guide for a Vesta Torpedo Ship that can help new players interested in making one avoid doing all the hard research and work.

It will likely be edited and updated multiple times as I perfect it to help new players, remember, this is just a guide to building, not a build itself, some of the specs here probably aren't cookie cutter by any means but I'm willing to take criticism and most of all, I'm willing to post this just for the sake of build diversity, many players are looking for alternative play-styles that may not be completely 100% efficient, but still fun to play and "MAY" hold their own better than those that were just rushed together without much thought at all.

I'd also like to add that if I have made any mistakes in my English please let me know as this is my second Language, I am from Japan.

If you have any questions, contact me in-game by messaging Miyu@fearinggravity


-=Skill Build=-

For Tactical Captains:
General Spec: http://www.stoacademy.com/tools/skil...eneralvesta1_0
Shield-drain Spec: http://www.stoacademy.com/tools/skil...rainvesta001_0

For Engineering Captains:
General Spec: http://www.stoacademy.com/tools/skil...eneralvesta2_0
Shield-drain Spec: http://www.stoacademy.com/tools/skil...drainvesta02_0

For Science Captains:
General Spec: http://www.stoacademy.com/tools/skil...eneralvesta3_0
Shield-drain Spec http://www.stoacademy.com/tools/skil...drainvesta03_0

You can always redistribute points to or from somewhere else like Graviton Generators, to buff other stats such as Threat Control, Hull Plating, Projectile Specialization, or even Subspace Decompiler depending on how powerful you want your Tractor Beams to be versus your Damage Mitigation, DPS, Viral Matrix, or your innate subsystem targeting.

These specs are really just to give the general Idea of the build, overall, there may be certain changes you will want depending on what you will be doing, for example, if you end up using Quantum Torpedos or Tricobolt Torpedos, you will probably be better off modifying the general spec and dropping some heals for stripping, using Tachyon Beam III or Tractor Beam III instead of Transfer Shield Strength III, this will give you the most optimal shield stripping and holding capability, and you will definitely need that if you intend on using anything other than Transphasic Torpedos, the shield-drain spec already better suits Quantum Torpedos, Tricobalt Torpedos and Plasma Torpedos, but with a few modifications to the General Spec, you can probably get some nice results.

Feel free to replace Tractor Beam III and Transfer Shield Strength II for for Energy Siphons III or II, Tractor Beam II, or Tractor Beam Repulsers II or III.
With a couple of the right Warp Theorist doffs, Energy Siphon can strip a random subsystem, which makes it quite a useful ability, even though it is underrated.

For the general spec: you can replace High Yield II for Torpedo Spread II, or even replace one of them for Dispersal Pattern Beta/Alpha, however, if you do this, it would be wise to run Emergancy Power to Shields I + Emergancy Power to Shields II to free up the universal ensign for a High Yield I or Torpedo Spread I.

It ultimately depends on if you want to buff your disabling and drain mines such as the tachyon and tric mines, or your survivability and torpedo damage.

Please note, if you decide to use Plasma Torpedos or any kind of plasma damage, make sure you spec into particle generators! I am unsure if it is confirmed or not, but apparently it buffs the DoT from Plasma Torpedos - the Shield-drain spec is already suited for plasma and quantum torpedos, however, you may not need to do anything that drastic to still make a viable plasma spec for yourself, a simple edit and re-allocation of points in the general spec can work well too.

TLDR: It isn't completely necessary to copy the general spec or the shield-drain spec EXACTLY to make a viable spec, there are quite a few viable variants.

-=Itemization=-

Deflector: (Choose One)
[Assimilated Deflector Array Mk XI]
[Klingon Honor Guard Positron Deflector Array Mk XII]

Impulse: (Choose One)
[Assimilated Subtranswarp Engines Mk XI]
[Klingon Honor Guard Impulse Engines Mk XII]

Shields: (Choose One)
[M.A.C.O. Resilient Shield Array Mk XII]
Elite Fleet Shields
[Honor Guard Covariant Shield Array Mk XII]

Fore Weapons: (Choose Type)

-Use a single beam array of your choice for innate subsystem targeting if you want, it can work well.

I reccomend a [Phaser Beam Array Mk XII [acc]x3] or, [Tetryon Beam Array Mk XII [acc]x3] theres also the rather gimicky [Experimental Romulan Plasma Beam Array] which is okay if you end up using the Romulan Singularity Harness.

Torpedos:

- [Breen Transphasic Cluster Torpedo]

This item can really hurt, however, If you choose to use the Breen Transphasic Cluster Torpedo, you can only use two other torpedos at maximum, if a beam array is included, you can only use one other torpedo, I reccomend using this weapon choice with two Rapid Reload Transphasic Torpedos.

Tricobalts:

It is highly reccomended that you have at least 6 skill points in Subspace Decompiler if you choose to heavily use any Tricobalt weapons.
Two Tricobalt torpedos are very slow, you will only be able to fire one every 25 seconds at least, and that is with projectile duty officers, and it's also weak to AoE, but that being said, if you can pull it off, they can decimate someone, usually in one hit, that is, IF they hit, they also synergize amazingly with subspace decompiler, adding extra control over enemies, about 4 seconds of disable, these are a very underrated weapon choice.

- [Tricobalt Torpedo Launcher Mk Xii [Acc]x3] in fore slot.
- [Tricobalt Torpedo Launcher Mk Xii [Acc]x3] in fore slot.

Two Quantum Torpedos deliver high damage at a shorter cooldown than the Tricobalts, but they don't synergize with subspace decompiler, however, they can't be targeted, which means you can pop ships when you disable their shields without worrying about your torpedos getting shot down before they even get a chance to hit the target, it is reccomended you use a heavy shield stripping build such as the shield-drain build to get the most out of these weapons, also, on a completely non game mechanics note, if you enjoy staying true to Canon you can fit one Phaser Beam Array with these weapons, and your ship will operate like Federation Ships are supposed to according to lore.

- [Quantum Torpedo Launcher Mk XI [Acc]x3] in fore slot.
- [Quantum Torpedo Launcher Mk XI [Acc]x3] in fore slot.

Transphasics:

The Transphasics are definantly more cookie cutter when it comes to a Torpedo Boat.

- [Transphasic Torpedo Launcher Mk XI [Acc]x3] in fore slot.
- [Transphasic Torpedo Launcher Mk XI [Acc]x3] in fore slot.

Two Transphasic Torpedos have more steady damage output, they damage even when shields are up, which means you wont need to rely as much on your disabling abilitys, yet when you DO disable, they will hit for more, it is reccomended you try to maximize your overall Torpedo Damage output when you use this type of weapon.

- [Rapid Reload Transphasic Torpedo Launcher] in fore slot.
- [Rapid Reload Transphasic Torpedo Launcher] in fore slot.

Regular Transphasic Torpedo's are good if you have projectile duty officers on, they work nicely, otherwise, Rapid Reload Transphasic Torpedo's might be a better choice.

Plasma:

I highly reccomend using the Shield-drain Spec if you intend to use these weapons, or, if you managed to create your own "plasma-viable" (high particle generators/shield killing) variant of the General Spec, then use that, if it works out, then that means my guide is doing what it was intended to do.

The plasma torpedos have great damage and can stack plasma fire pretty well, the Omega Plasma Torpedo Launcher grants the Omega Adapted Borg Technology Set bonus if you have Assimilated Console on. Romulan Hyper-Plasma Torpedo Launcher, Experimental Romulan Plasma Beam Array , and Zero-Point Energy Conduit gives bonus plasma damage as a set bonus and also gives another plasma fire damage over time activate-able ability, the downside to these ones is that they can be targeted and destroyed easily and using all of these for the set bonuses may take up precious needed console slots for something better.

- [Omega Plasma Torpedo Launcher Mk XII [Dmg]x2 [CrtH]
- [Romulan Hyper-Plasma Torpedo Launcher]

If you don't want to risk your plasma torpedos getting shot down by using the Romulan Singularity Harness and Omega Adapted Borg Technology set items, then opt to use regular plasma torpedo's, or rapid firing ones (if they exist)

- [Plasma Torpedo Launcher Mk XII [Acc]x3]
- [Plasma Torpedo Launcher Mk XII [Acc]x3]

Aft Weapons: (Must Have)
- [Kinetic Cutting Beam Mk XII] in aft slot.
- [Tricobalt Mine Launcher] in aft slot.
- [Concentrated Tachyon Mine Launcher] in aft slot.

The Kinetic Cutting beam seems to parse better than a turret, and has a nice debuff, if you combine it with assimilated console, you will get a set bonus, although, it isn't necessary.

The Tricobalt Mine Launcher receives a synergy from Subspace Decompiler, the Concentrated Tachyon Mine Launcher receives synergy from Flow Capacitors, these can both be used situationally, and buffed with dispersal pattern beta, or alpha.

If you cannot afford this Aft Weapons setup, then maybe use Transphasic Mines (if using transphasic torpedos) or Plasma Mines (if using plasma torpedos), another alternative is using Polarized Disruptor Turrets [acc]x2 - these turrets place a damage resistance debuff on the target making your torpedos deal more damage, they also have a Polaron Proc which is buffed by flow capacitors and can augment your power draining.

Engineering Consoles: (Must Have)
- [Console - Engineering - Neutronium Alloy Mk XII]
- [Console - Engineering - Neutronium Alloy Mk XII]

Two of these are pretty much standard, if you really want to though, you might be able to get away with just one, leaving you an additional console slot for one of the consoles below to fill in.

Engineering Consoles; (Choose One)
- [Console - Tachyokinetic Converter]
- [Console - Universal - Multidimensional Wave-Function Analysis Module]
- [Console - Universal - Assimilated Module]
- [Console - Universal - Zero-Point Energy Conduit]

Use Tachyokinetic Converter if you want more turn rate with some supplemental extra DPS.
Use Multidimensional Wave-Function Analysis Module if you want to break Holds more often.
Use Assimilated Module if you want extra DPS and synergy with the Kinetic Cutting Beam, or if are using Omega Plasma Torpedo for the Omega Adapted Borg Technology Set Bonus.
Use Zero-Point Energy Conduit if you are using Romulan Hyper-Plasma Torpedo Launcher and Experimental Romulan Plasma Beam Array.

Science Consoles: (Must Have)
- [Console - Rule 62 Multipurpose Combat Console]
- [Console - Universal - Sympathetic Fermion Transceiver]
-[Console - Science - Flow Capacitor Mk XII]
-[Console - Science - Flow Capacitor Mk XII]

Flow Capacitors are useful for buffing your overall drain ability's and "some" types of weapons such as Tetryon, Polaron, and Tachyon weapons.

if you are only using one Neutronium Hull console, consider using either a third Flow Capacitor, or a Particle Generator is also viable if you use the shield-drain spec.

Tactical Consoles: (Choose Type Depending on Fore Weapons)

If using Tricobalt Torpedos:
- [Console - Tactical - TCD Subspace Infuser Mk XII]
- [Console - Tactical - TCD Subspace Infuser Mk XII]
- [Console - Tactical - TCD Subspace Infuser Mk XII]

If using Quantum Torpedos:
- [Console - Tactical - Zero Point Quantum Chamber Mk XII]
- [Console - Tactical - Zero Point Quantum Chamber Mk XII]
- [Console - Tactical - Zero Point Quantum Chamber Mk XII]

If using Transphasic Torpedos:
- [Console - Tactical - Transphasic Compressor Mk XII]
- [Console - Tactical - Transphasic Compressor Mk XII]
- [Console - Tactical - Transphasic Compressor Mk XII]

If using Plasma Torpedos:
- [Console - Tactical - Ambiplasma Envelope Mk XII]
- [Console - Tactical - Ambiplasma Envelope Mk XII]
- [Console - Tactical - Ambiplasma Envelope Mk XII]

Hanger: (Choose One)
- Hangar - [Advanced Danube Runabouts]
- Hangar - [Advanced Scorpion Fighters]
- Hangar - [Advanced Delta Flyers]

Danuba: = More tractor beam holds and subsystem disables, but only has photon torpedos.
Scorpions: = More raw DPS from dual cannons and high yield plasma torpedos, good against KDF and cloaking targets because of the damage over time debuffs it can apply.
Delta Flyers: = More shield-stripping and subsystem disables, has shield-ignoring torpedos.

Duty Officers: (Choose Type)
- 2-3 System Engineers (Chance Viral Matrix will spread, use more of these if you don't have energy siphon)
- 2-3 Warp Theorists (Chance to disable subsystem when you use Energy Siphon, only use if you have Energy Siphon))
- 1 Tractor Beam Officer (Must have this, it drains target shields, consider using Tractor Beam III for best use of this)
- 2-3 Projectile Officers so you can fire more torpedos. (Overall good for any torpedo ship)
- 2-3 Shield Distribution Officers to make brace for impact another "Oh Crap!" button, like Reverse Shield Polarity.
- 2-3 Development Lab Scientist (Must have this if you use the Plasma Spec or any spec that uses science team)


How To Play:
- For Tanking: Set your power systems to 100 Shields, 50 Auxiliary, 25 Weapons, 25 Engines.
- For DPS: Set your power systems to something like 60 Shields, 90 Auxiliary, 25 Weapons, 25 Engines.

- Use attack pattern alpha to boost your torpedo strikes when a targets shields are down. (If Tactical Captain)
- Use Rotate Shield Frequency to boost your damage soaking. (If Engineering Captain)
- Use Sensor Scan to debuff your targets damage resistances before you launch Torpedos. (If Science Captain)
- Use Reverse Shield Polarity in an "Oh Crap!" situation, if you have it.
- Constantly Keep both Emergancy Power to Shields up.
- Use Tachyon Beams to strip target shields, if you have it.
- Use Tractor Beams to strip target shields, if you have it.
- Constantly Keep both Tactical Teams up, if you have it, otherwise use your Science Team respectively.
- Use Charged Particle Blast to strip targets shields and reveal cloaked, if you have it.
- Use brace for impact in an "Oh Crap!" situation, if you have it.
- Use as much damage boosting cooldowns as you can just before launching torpedos at a shield-stripped target.
- Use Fermion Console to heal yourself of any hull damage.
- Use Attack Pattern Omega to break tractor beams and holds.
- Use Hazard Emitters to debuff yourself of any Hazards, boost damage soaking, and heal your hull.
- Use Energy Siphon to drain your targets power from all of their systems, and boost your own systems, with a chance to strip a random subsystem, if you have the Juel Ducanel doffs.
- Use Viral Matrix to drop your targets shields, engines, weapons, and auxiliary systems.
- Use Dispersal Pattern to boost Concentrated Tachyon Mine Launcher and Tricobolt Mine Launcher.
- Use High Yield or Torpedo Spread for launching Torpedos when your target's shields are offline.

(Links for these items)
http://www.stowiki.org/Juel_Ducane
http://www.stowiki.org/Rapid_Reload_...rpedo_Launcher
http://www.stowiki.org/Breen_Transph...luster_Torpedo
http://www.stowiki.org/Hangar_-_Advanced_Delta_Flyers
http://www.stowiki.org/Multi-Mission_Strategic_Explorer
http://www.stowiki.org/Omega_Adapted...Technology_Set
http://www.stowiki.org/Concentrated_..._Mine_Launcher
http://www.stowiki.org/Tricobalt_Mine_Launcher
http://www.stowiki.org/Romulan_Singularity_Harness
http://www.stowiki.org/Temporal_Warfare_Set
http://www.stowiki.org/M.A.C.O._(Spa...t_Shield_Array
http://www.stowiki.org/Assimilated_Borg_Technology
http://www.stowiki.org/Console_-_Uni...nalysis_Module
http://www.stowiki.org/Console_-_Tac...bspace_Infuser
http://www.stowiki.org/Honor_Guard_(Space)
http://www.stowiki.org/Console_-_Sci...Flow_Capacitor

Last edited by fearinggravity; 12-28-2012 at 11:57 PM.
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12-26-2012, 10:43 AM
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# 3
12-26-2012, 12:19 PM
looks like you put a lot of work into this, but theres some pretty deep flaws in it.

first of all tric torps have a 1 min cooldown, with a 30 second global. so you could only ever utilize 2 of them. plus tric torps are horrible compared to mines. nearly any amount or shields can shrug them off.

second of all you would need shield striping that would make mai kia blush to make use of quantum torps on a sci ship. these have no use other then dealing damage through down shield facings.

you have 2 damage choices on sci torp boats, transphasics, which is proboly a better choice, and plasma. throw in some chronoton too for slowdowns in there somewhere. a harpang as well maybe.

not even a single beam array?you have innate subsystem targeting you know


armor consoles are a luxury item, you only slot those once your other bases are minmaxes and covered. you have the borg cutting beam, but no borg console? you have the temporal console but no borg console? the borg console has superior crit bonuses to the temporal console, reason alone to use it if you had to chose between 1 or the other.

damage control doffs arent very reliable with only 1 type of EPtX skill, you need 1 of 2 different kinds for reliability. VM will never drop someones shields, only the other 3 systems main reason quantums cant work. if you want effective shield draining your going to need CPB3,TB3 with doff and tach beam3 delta flyers and the tach mines. maybe TB2 with VM1, because VM is so handy and crippling. you wont have a LTC tac then, but even on a vesta you cant have it all.

on the skill tree you don't max attack paterns or projectile damage. if you use any attack pasterns or torps, max those skills! they are extreamly cheap anyway. at least 3 into batteries too. you get more total armor if you put 3 in threat control and 3 in energy armor then just 6 into energy armor. with the rate that crew dies, puting any points into subsystem repair is questionable without a nurse doff, and dampeners does little other then make every TBR pulse hit you. sensors bufffs sci captain abilities, and might make AMS not as long, but ive also heard that it doesn't lessen its effect at all.
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# 4
12-26-2012, 12:52 PM
Energy Siphon 1 is a really weak choice, especially with your lack of heals. 2 doffs to buff it is out of whack for one copy of a low level ability. The drain won't be noticed and you don't need the power level boost since you get to dump weapons.Dump it for a heal and add another doff for VM, the stick around longer one rather than the chance to spread one.

Get the threat scaling embassy science consoles for hull and shield heals because you're going to need them.

DDIS said everything else I was thinking. DC doffs, skills, consoles, beam array, torp type, I'd second all of it.

The only thing left is to question if you have any sense of how the PvP community views tric mines since you've included those, as well as the Fleet Shields which just got some comments from learned sources as being out of balance.
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12-26-2012, 01:41 PM
its a good first attempt....

but... yeah...

-doesnt know what to say without sounding like a complete ass-

specificly the sci build.

the greatest strength to a science build is its diversification to its power selection.
if you focus all your high end powers on just a single skill it will easily be defeated.


taking 2 vm's is a bad idea, now that engineering team clears it, and it can be done in theory, every 15 seconds. while the fastest you could fire vm is once every 30 seconds.

id highly recomend 2 rapid fire transphasic torps in the front, with the breen cluster torp, and 2 trans mine launchers in the rear and a single beam array

the cluster torp is ungodly when its used right.

yeah..

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12-26-2012, 02:21 PM
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-doesnt know what to say without sounding like a complete ass-
i tried not to sound like one too, thats why i tried explaining everything i said. out of the 3 its proboly hardest to build a good sci ship
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12-26-2012, 03:13 PM
Thanks for the feedback

Last edited by fearinggravity; 12-27-2012 at 10:51 AM.
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# 8
12-26-2012, 03:28 PM
Each time I've looked at the Vesta ships, I see an enhanced RSV.

RVS vs. MME-Strat:

Same Hull
+.05 Shield Modifier
Same 3/3 Weapons
+400 Crew
Can even do the same BOFF layout if you choose: Lt Tac, Ens Tac, Ens Eng, Cmdr Sci, LCdr Sci
+1 Eng Console
-1 Turn Rate
-5 Aux Power
+5 Shield Power
Same Sensor Analysis & Subsystem Targeting
+Hangar & Carrier Commands
+MWFAM Console
+Aux Cannon(s)

So I'd take my RSV build - I'd add the MWFAM console in that extra Eng slot - and I add pets. I'll have more shield, more crew, one less turn, a little less aux with a little more shield...wham, bam, thank you ma'am - I'm flying a better RSV. I don't look at it as completely different ship needing a completely different build... it's so close to the RSV.

I don't have any of the Vestas, but the RSV's my favorite Sci ship and it's impossible not to see how the MME Strat is a version of the RSV.

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# 9
12-26-2012, 04:32 PM
good effort, and lots of thought too....

listen to kai's and drunk's advice though.

have fun kill bad guys
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12-26-2012, 08:16 PM
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out of the 3 its proboly hardest to build a good sci ship
then i guess its a good thing some veteran sci guys replied to his thread



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Each time I've looked at the Vesta ships, I see an enhanced RSV.


So I'd take my RSV build - I'd add the MWFAM console in that extra Eng slot - and I add pets. I'll have more shield, more crew, one less turn, a little less aux with a little more shield...wham, bam, thank you ma'am - I'm flying a better RSV. I don't look at it as completely different ship needing a completely different build... it's so close to the RSV.

I don't have any of the Vestas, but the RSV's my favorite Sci ship and it's impossible not to see how the MME Strat is a version of the RSV.


this is why i keep saying the vesta is the single best sci ship in the game.

it can literally do any other sci ships layout AND more then likely do it better simply because it can throw the pets into the mix. (not to mention its own crazy consoles)
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