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Ensign
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 13
No bias, please.

I am level 14 and am interested in eventually PvP'ing. I know PvP is in a bad state right now in STO but i want to know am i wasting my time thinking of PvP as an end-game?

Do i need to deck my ship in ugly Borg gear to be good?
Is PvP balanced in any way?
How many month(s) of grinding gear would i need to do to reach PvP end-game?
Do PvP builds vary a lot from PvE builds?
Does Cryptic have anything in the pipeline to improve PvP?

I play a cruiser/engineering style. Traditionally a 'tank' type in MMO's .

Thanks guys.
Commander
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 251
# 2
01-02-2013, 09:46 AM
Question 1: No, Borg gear isn't necessary, although the heals do help when they proc, especially on the usually heal deficient Escorts. And besides, if you right click on the picture of the engine, deflector, or shields, you can disable the visuals so you won't be forced to look at the spikes and general ugliness of the Borg Set

Question 2: I believe save for a few weapons (and the fact Escorts take way more damage than they should to kill) PVP is getting there on the balanced scale. Be wary of Tricobalt mines though

Question 3: You can reach level 50 relatively quickly, but you can be competitive in PVP with relatively inexpensive items and reaching only Tier 2 in the Omega and Romulan Rep. MK 12 weapons and items are not needed for PVP. Heck I get by with MK XI Rare Phaser Dual Heavy Cannons on my Saber Retrofit and they only have ACC x2 and were relatively cheap.

So I would wager maybe about 1-2 weeks to get to tier 2 REP, then depending on how long you play, maybe a couple days for the MK X set you do need.

Question 4: Usually, any PVP build will do far better than any PVE build, bar none. But it is the person behind the ship that determines that.

Question 5: From what has been rumored, Season 8 is when they plan to revamp PVP, but until that comes along, we can only wait and see.

I hope this has helped you, and if I may suggest, join the Organized PVP channel. They can help you on builds and tactics for PVP.
Career Officer
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 373
# 3
01-02-2013, 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by dtoxuk View Post
No bias, please.
Heh, I'll try, though once you start pvp'ing, if you like it, you'll findit nigh on impossible to avoid this

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I am level 14 and am interested in eventually PvP'ing. I know PvP is in a bad state right now in STO but i want to know am i wasting my time thinking of PvP as an end-game?
Absolutely not. In fact, pvp is the only end game, provided you are after something not mind numbingly, monotonously boring. (See what I mean about the hard to avoid part )

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Do i need to deck my ship in ugly Borg gear to be good?
You can turn off the visuals if you don'y like them. Borg MACO, whatever. You can have all the stats and buffs with none of the sparkle, if you so desire.

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Is PvP balanced in any way?
Not in it's current state, no.

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How many month(s) of grinding gear would i need to do to reach PvP end-game?
In days gone by, you could take a notion to try something new in a fresh character slot, and level to cap and have all the gear you'd need to get started in a weekend. Nowadays with all the BS grind for unbalanced passives, and the grind for chances at the best gear I'd imagine it would take signifigantly longer to reach the 'baseline' (That said, the better players in mkX common gear will still steamroll the twits that populate the queues decked out in the best ships, with all the faction gear and purple consoles). Perhaps some of the peeps around here still sticking at this pos can fill you in on the specifics of additional grind added recently (Incidentally, I'd be keen to read the answer to this too, from a maybe getting back into the game at some point point of view).

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Do PvP builds vary a lot from PvE builds?
Yes, but only because so many pve builds are so retarded.
The average pvp build will cream pve. The average pve build is dead inside 5 seconds in pvp.

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Does Cryptic have anything in the pipeline to improve PvP?
No.
They never have and likely never will (at least until they figure out how best to monetise it). If any studio personel ever tries to tell you different, link them this: http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/sh...d.php?t=233254
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I play a cruiser/engineering style. Traditionally a 'tank' type in MMO's
Dispel the notion of being a tank. It doesn't exist as a role in sto pvp.
You can have tank, every ship does to greater or lesser degrees, but to be a tank is nothing in sto pvp.
You have no mechanism by which to hold aggro from other players, ergo the only purpose served is taking the place of a valuable role in the team.
The most similar role would likely be healer or bruiser type cruiser builds, predominantly based around team support and light supportive dps/spam clear.
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Last edited by dantrainor; 01-02-2013 at 10:10 AM.
Commander
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 366
# 4
01-02-2013, 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by dtoxuk View Post
I am level 14 and am interested in eventually PvP'ing. I know PvP is in a bad state right now in STO but i want to know am i wasting my time thinking of PvP as an end-game?
Yes. you are. And no, you are not.

Yes because outside of OPvP PvP is non-existant. There is no PvP. Below lvl 50 there is no PvP at all outside Ker'rat. On vl 50 there are AFKers, PUG/premades stomping you, some more AFKers and some more stomping.

No, because, as was already mentioned - PvP is the only endgame content that is not tied to mindless, boring space mashin and grind. Not directly, because you will NEED to grind in boring, repetitive PvE to be competitive and/or level a little a gap between you and those that are better at PvP.

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Do i need to deck my ship in ugly Borg gear to be good?
No. I was never using any set at all in PvP and was able to have some fun. Besides you may disable the visuals of the set if you get it. So you will still have Borg set, but no fugly visuals.

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Is PvP balanced in any way?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIrhVo1WA78

No, it is not balanced at all. And it is even worse if you are starting it. And EVEN worse, when you are starting the game and PvP at the same time.

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Originally Posted by dtoxuk View Post
How many month(s) of grinding gear would i need to do to reach PvP end-game?
You do not need to grind. The stuff you can buy on exchange (weapons, shields etc) is all you will need at start. Just play PvP if you will like it and then grind some PvE in mean time.

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Do PvP builds vary a lot from PvE builds?
Yeah. What's good at PvE is usually worthless at PvP. But for some reason - not the other way so PvP builds are quite valid for PvE. Even if PvE builds may be better at certain things.
Does Cryptic have anything in the pipeline to improve PvP?

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Originally Posted by dtoxuk View Post
I play a cruiser/engineering style. Traditionally a 'tank' type in MMO's .
There is no tank in PvP becasue Cryptic, in it's visdom, introduced a tank without giving it anything to tank with. There are simply no ways to force other players to attack you, so tank is worthless in PvP. In PvP eng/cruiser role is... hmm... healing. Nothing else. I'm starting to wonder if dedicated sci healer is not better, but dunno. Anyway - eng is good ONLY in cruiser. And cruiser with eng is good ONLY at healing.

BUT - healers are pretty important in PvP, so this is not a bad role to play. Can be pretty funny. Even more when escort you are healing is accused of cheating because no one realised that you are healing it (possible - saw it in Ker'rat).
Survivor of Romulus
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 4,593
# 5
01-02-2013, 10:55 AM
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Do i need to deck my ship in ugly Borg gear to be good?
No

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Is PvP balanced in any way?
No

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How many month(s) of grinding gear would i need to do to reach PvP end-game?
Days or hours depends how much you play

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Do PvP builds vary a lot from PvE builds?
some people will say yes
some will say no
I say No

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Does Cryptic have anything in the pipeline to improve PvP?
Gods we hope so


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I play a cruiser/engineering style. Traditionally a 'tank' type in MMO's .

Thanks guys.
Ah a "tank"
thats a myth here basically
Captain
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 1,360
# 6
01-02-2013, 10:56 AM
First, you must maintain a demeanor of smug d-baggery at all times. Bonus points for conveying it in some stupid text-speak like a little kid.

Second, only PvP in an organized group of friends, so that you can all congratulate yourselves for defeating enemies by ganging up on them 5 to 1. Then, when no one will play arena or capture missions with you anymore, you can roll Klingons and become one of those adorable gank squads in Ker'rat.
Captain
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 1,273
# 7
01-02-2013, 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by hanover2 View Post
First, you must maintain a demeanor of smug d-baggery at all times. Bonus points for conveying it in some stupid text-speak like a little kid.

Second, only PvP in an organized group of friends, so that you can all congratulate yourselves for defeating enemies by ganging up on them 5 to 1. Then, when no one will play arena or capture missions with you anymore, you can roll Klingons and become one of those adorable gank squads in Ker'rat.
You sound bitter. The anti-PvP circlejerk is that way -points to Star Trek Online Discussion and General Community Feedback-
Commander
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 366
# 8
01-03-2013, 12:57 AM
One thing to consider about guriphu post and gear:

If you want to be a duelist: spend time mostly in Ker'rat and hunt Klins (or Feds if you preffer) then you do not need P2W things. You can also forget about zens, reputation and whatever else.

You need two things: free escort and tactical captain plus some common gear (white/green from exchange for few hundred thousands EC). Sorry, but anything else then tac-escort suck if you want to be lone wolf duelist. Sci-escort is also an option, but that's it.

Now, if you want to fly in Arenas and team - then guriphu is more or less correct.
Empire Veteran
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 6,757
# 9
01-04-2013, 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by hanover2 View Post
you can roll Klingons and become one of those adorable gank squads in Ker'rat.
You may wish to see to the Feds then, as last week they where the ones ganking KDF players at the respawn and in the mission in Ker'rat.

It was great fun trying to break through them for a while but it became boring after a period of time.

Props, to CrimsonRose though for pointing out in chat that the feds where doing exactly what the KDF gets blaimed for constantly becuase we KDF players where taking it all in stride without complaint.

We happen to remember that Ker'rat is a PvP mission zone first and foremost over a being a farmzone and expecting to be left alone.
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# 10
01-04-2013, 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by hanover2 View Post
Then, when no one will play arena or capture missions with you anymore, you can roll Klingons and become one of those adorable gank squads in Ker'rat.
Adorable, eh? Well, I didn't know the bad guys were also so hilarious...
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