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# 1 The state of PVP
01-11-2013, 05:06 PM
This is my post on the state of the game, specificly PVP and how it needs a major overhaul.. I figure if i get enough posts going on the subject maybe PWE will do something about it. (And remember Cryptic in an interview a while back right out admitted that PVP needed to be fixed or removed completely to make a better game)

First off Equal Teams:

I just came from a match that on my team had 2 assault cruisers (the regular one at RA level) A Defiant (Fleet Version) a Intrepid , and myself (flying a fleet heavy cruiser) Sounds like a well balanced team right? Well not so much, we were pitted against a premade fleet team (A team of all the same fleet that was made before the match) They had 3 Temporal ships (2 of them were wells class and one mobius) and 2 Jem'hadar fighters.. Still think i had a well balanced team? So here we are 5 ships available through the game easily accessible by most players VS 5 lockbox ships that are Extremely hard (if not impossible) to get. Sound fair? I didn't think so.

Second Example:

A few weeks ago i was placed in a match (Fleet heavy cruiser) Vs a Jem'hadar and 2 wells class ships.. Ok yes i can tank a bit (Tactical in a cruiser) But 3 lockbox ships against my fleet ship? I would have to say overkill.. The next day same thing happened to a friend of mine. I and he put in tickets (Which surprise surprise never got any response from)

I would like to say that Cryptic in the past has been true to the player base (the whole player base, not a select few that pay epic amounts of money to get a overpowered lockbox ship) and fixed issues that the community banned together and said "hey we want this fixed", And it is my hope they will give this players concerns some serious thought, but as it seems since PWE has taken over the Developers (known to most as devs) have all but gone away, Yes we see BranFlakes posting once in a while so he may appease his PWE masters.. Now before i go on a tangent (more so than i already have) let me get back to the point.. As it stands Cryptic admits PVP is very much in need of a "fix" Yet now they have introduced a "PVP BootCamp".. even though they have said that PVP needs either to be deleted from the game or have a major Overhaul, what do they do? They indorse a PVP Bootcamp for a broken system. I think there is something wrong with this picture.

Now if we all band together once again as a strong outspoken community, maybe they will do something about this problem that is making PVP a major downside and deterrent to players in the game (Look how fast they "patched" the dilithium issue when the community screamed foul)If i could have as many as possible post on this "Situation" in the game with your own stories and examples of the Incredible mess they call PVP Maybe.. just maybe Cryptic will grow some balls (which appear to have been chopped off after PWE took over) and fix one of the biggest "bugs" in this game.


Thank you for your time

-Fleet Admiral Sebastion, SSC
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# 2
01-11-2013, 05:37 PM
Actually, it was 3 Wells and 2 Jemmies. Class move leaving your team to fend for themselves, btw.
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# 3
01-11-2013, 05:51 PM
So what? You want a separate playlist for those who own lockbox ships?

If that premade is who I think it is, even if they used c-store ships, they still would have won.

They've beaten at least one premade in tier-3 ships I believe.

If your team lost to them, it was because your team was just not as coordinated as they are.

/channel_join OrganizedPvP and setup a pugmade to have a better chance against premades.


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# 4
01-11-2013, 06:00 PM
I would disagree on several points. The Wells is very easy to get and the nebula can slot the same layout (albeit slower,) so of course the wells would be preferred. Considering it's around 35-40mil on the exchange, I wouldn't say that's too hard to get.

Be that, pvp fleets are more inclined to min/max certain aspects of builds. So having 3xwells and 2xbugs is a nice burst setup with maneuverable science.

To be frank, Tactical heavy cruisers are a bit selfish and lack burst so from the start you limited your team.

As for bootcamp, the event has been sponsored by Cryptic but the organizers would have pushed it off without their support. More so, it gives the casual pvper a insight into the finer points of team play. It may or may not impact their gameplay but the hope is it will.

Cheers!
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# 5
01-11-2013, 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by brandonfl View Post
Class move leaving your team to fend for themselves, btw.
^ lol @ this
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# 6
01-11-2013, 06:50 PM
lol love how no one made any comments on the state of the broken PVP system.. Umm 3 on 1? So that is working correctly? And i never said slot Lockbox ships into a seperate playlist, a little more diversity would be nice. as for my "leaving the match" my game crashed (sometimes happens in an imperfect world) Nothing i could do about that. Oh and i am in that "Organized PVP" channel btw, so i do use it but sometimes ya just gotta pug it. And the orginizers of the Bootcamp.. lol i ran into them in a PVP match after they creamed the team i was on (this time in my oddy healer over 1.5mil of team healing in that match) they so kindly posted about the PVP bootcamp.. Oh and did i mention it was a team of 5 wells class. Hmm makes sense for a team like that to be teaching how to's on PVP.

Lesson 1:

Buy a lockbox ship.
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# 7
01-11-2013, 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by sebastion84 View Post
lol love how no one made any comments on the state of the broken PVP system.. Umm 3 on 1? So that is working correctly? And i never said slot Lockbox ships into a seperate playlist, a little more diversity would be nice. as for my "leaving the match" my game crashed (sometimes happens in an imperfect world) Nothing i could do about that. Oh and i am in that "Organized PVP" channel btw, so i do use it but sometimes ya just gotta pug it. And the orginizers of the Bootcamp.. lol i ran into them in a PVP match after they creamed the team i was on (this time in my oddy healer over 1.5mil of team healing in that match) they so kindly posted about the PVP bootcamp.. Oh and did i mention it was a team of 5 wells class. Hmm makes sense for a team like that to be teaching how to's on PVP.

Lesson 1:

Buy a lockbox ship.
You said, "3 timeships and 2 bugships, I'm outta here" then you were gone. That doesn't sound like a game crash to me....

As far as the state of PvP. there are plenty of threads around here addressing that. This comes off as a QQ thread. Have a nice day.
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# 8
01-11-2013, 07:18 PM
I have been reluctant to deal with any kind of SERIOUS PVP until the Fleet shields and Tricobalt nerfs come down... until then I will just keep to friendly matches amongst friends....
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# 9
01-11-2013, 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by sebastion84 View Post
lol love how no one made any comments on the state of the broken PVP system.. Umm 3 on 1? So that is working correctly? And i never said slot Lockbox ships into a seperate playlist, a little more diversity would be nice. as for my "leaving the match" my game crashed (sometimes happens in an imperfect world) Nothing i could do about that. Oh and i am in that "Organized PVP" channel btw, so i do use it but sometimes ya just gotta pug it. And the orginizers of the Bootcamp.. lol i ran into them in a PVP match after they creamed the team i was on (this time in my oddy healer over 1.5mil of team healing in that match) they so kindly posted about the PVP bootcamp.. Oh and did i mention it was a team of 5 wells class. Hmm makes sense for a team like that to be teaching how to's on PVP.

Lesson 1:

Buy a lockbox ship.
Now you are just being silly. You don't need a lockbox ship to play PVP. If you think about it, most Lockbox ships are only special because of the consoles they come with. Sure their stats may seem superior, but take off the consoles, the lockbox ship will be just another ship to blow up.
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# 10
01-11-2013, 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by sebastion84 View Post
lol love how no one made any comments on the state of the broken PVP system.. Umm 3 on 1? So that is working correctly?
This one is a legitimate complaint. The matchmaking system is rather buggy at times. I have been on the receiving end of this a few times, but I just have to grin and bear it until it's fixed.

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And i never said slot Lockbox ships into a seperate playlist, a little more diversity would be nice.
Then what would you suggest as a solution? You speak about getting PvP to be overhauled. You want the community to speak up to the devs and get them to fix 'it'. However, you focus on the existence of the lockbox ships, which, to be frank, would be difficult for the devs to do anything about. Do you have any ideas? This case is nowhere near as clear-cut as the dilithium fiasco. You say that lockbox ships in the queues are a big problem, but you offer no meaningful suggestion as to how the problem can be solved. How would 'overhauling' the PvP system help with this?

Honestly, however, the Wells class is one of the more affordable lockbox ships available, and as such is more common than most others. However, there are a number who argue that the Vesta is a better sci ship, which means that the Wells is not necessarily the best available. I do agree that the bugship can be somewhat overpowered in the hands of some, but it can be countered fairly easily with teamwork. Just having one does not make the person a good player. I've outflown a couple in my fleet Sabre myself, which, given my skill level (low to medium), makes the bugship pilot pretty lousy if the bugship is really that OP as you say.

By the way, a Tac in a cruiser is pretty much the worst thing you can bring to a fight against a bugship.....or most good escorts for that matter. Sure, you can output good pressure damage and tank somewhat, but a good escort will have spiked you to death in the meantime. Any sci ship would just be the icing on the cake.

Furthermore, the bugship is the best escort, however it remains an escort. It is vulnerable to a number of things, particularly sci shutdowns.

I pug most of the time myself, and I understand how you feel about lockbox ships. However, it is very likely that individual player skill and teamwork contributes the lion's share towards the opposing team's victory, not the ships. Sure, you may still lose a contest of equal skill when using another escort that is inferior, but you will give your opponent a good fight where he has to overcome the challenge you pose to him.


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I just came from a match that on my team had 2 assault cruisers (the regular one at RA level) A Defiant (Fleet Version) a Intrepid , and myself (flying a fleet heavy cruiser) Sounds like a well balanced team right?
Nope, that certainly does not sound like a balanced team. 3 out of 5 ships are cruisers? Too tank-heavy with not enough DPS is what it sounds like to me.
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