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Lieutenant
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The exact same thing is going to happen. Everyone has their own opinion of what should be allowed and what shouldnt.

But here is a obvious issue. If you can not police it then you cant have it as a rule.

In other words it very hard to tell what the opponent has when it comes to consoles and doffs.

So it cant happen guys.

My honest opinion. Play it with everything allowed. Yes it might become a tric war. But you know no one is cheating.


STO has to fix itself. We cant sit here and fix it ourselves and expect conflict like what happen not occur again and again.

Until then you can fight over what doffs you can have or what consoles. In the end you are allowing conflict to infect you on a system you can not control. In the end you lost friends and your own temper.

Sorry just being honest.

PVP isnt broken. It works as intended my Cryptic. So unless Cryptic fixes it it wont improve. Dont try to make the game what it isnt.

Disclaimer - I also would like alot of the great ideas part of our pvp game. I do think Trics are too powerful and some powers just ruin pvp. But its the way it is. We cant police it so why try.
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# 2
01-14-2013, 10:58 AM
You bring up a very good point. I believe PvPers should be able to use everything or nothing when it comes to a tournament. If everything is allowed then complaining and whining are just that. If nothing is allowed then the playing field is more even and fair but you can't utilize certain things to bring your opponent to his knees in combat.

Stop the whining. Whoever makes a tournament decides the rules. If you disagree then don't participate.
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# 3
01-14-2013, 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by edalgo View Post
Stop the whining. Whoever makes a tournament decides the rules. If you disagree then don't participate.
This is the stance that has killed most tournaments.

Also, let's not forget it's should really be cryptic's job to balance the game. The fact that we have to come up with some sort of rule sets just shows you how crap this game really is.

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# 4
01-14-2013, 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by thumapp View Post
This is the stance that has killed most tournaments.

Also, let's not forget it's should really be cryptic's job to balance the game. The fact that we have to come up with some sort of rule sets just shows you how crap this game really is.
Yes it is Cryptics job to balance the game that we pay for but as an avid PvPer I would also like to have some fun in the meantime. We've been waiting for balance since Season 3 and 4. Now some of us are adults and can compromise on certain things but there are others who only want their way and act completely juvenile to try and get it.

It is especially difficult to get concensus on anything for PvP. I hope the devs are listening when i say they need to chose a direction for PvP and just take us there. There will always be whiners but it's time to pony up and make some tough choices.

I pray this will lead to balance and a more enjoyable gaming experience than I already have.
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# 5
01-14-2013, 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by edalgo View Post
Yes it is Cryptics job to balance the game that we pay for but as an avid PvPer I would also like to have some fun in the meantime. We've been waiting for balance since Season 3 and 4. Now some of us are adults and can compromise on certain things but there are others who only want their way and act completely juvenile to try and get it.

It is especially difficult to get concensus on anything for PvP. I hope the devs are listening when i say they need to chose a direction for PvP and just take us there. There will always be whiners but it's time to pony up and make some tough choices.

I pray this will lead to balance and a more enjoyable gaming experience than I already have.
Unfortunately I'm not as optimistic as you. I once was, but that time is long gone.

In fact, I think the game is almost completely unplayable from a fun perspective when it comes to unrestricted (premade) pvp right now.

Some of this games all time best players refuse to open the game anymore unless there's a possibility for restricted pvp games.

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# 6
01-14-2013, 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by thumapp View Post
Unfortunately I'm not as optimistic as you. I once was, but that time is long gone.

In fact, I think the game is almost completely unplayable from a fun perspective when it comes to unrestricted (premade) pvp right now.

Some of this games all time best players refuse to open the game anymore unless there's a possibility for restricted pvp games.
I'm not that optimistic either but that's all the reason not to wait and attempt to make something fun now. I've been playing STO consistently since Season 1.

I really hope this unofficial RA tournament actually happens. If people don't complain and just follow the rules it should be a lot of fun. After all we're here to have fun.

Last edited by edalgo; 01-14-2013 at 01:43 PM.
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# 7
01-14-2013, 01:12 PM
Personal attacks should be left out on this thread please (I am the OP).

My point is everyone is going to have a different take on what balance is. I agree that there are a lot of problems that make the game imbalanced. Its needs a constant approach by the devs to allow this to happen. Right now we have what we have. Play with it.

You CAN NOT expect people to agree what balance is. We are not game designers. We only know the windows of what we know about the game. Its Cryptic's responsibility to bring balance. Not a bunch of guys on TS.

As an IT professional I can tell you also that you can not make a policy or rule unless you can enforce it. It make no sense not to allow a DOFF when you can not prov he is using it. Even if you could with video you would end up creating conflict that may or may not be valid. It would be time consuming and bring a negative light.

POINT - If you want a tournament with Cryptic. Play the game according to what is allowed within the programming. Which means everything is allowed unless Cryptic disallows it with programming.

Cryptic, I wouldn't advise hosting a tournament until you can find balance. Not perfect balance but some sort of curve to it. Some sense of logic.

With that being said. If you want a tournament right now just do it. Do it with the mind set that everything is allowed. Its been said before even if you have that ability good teams can still beat you. Yes good teams will be beaten by lesser skilled people due to some power, but I sense 9 times out of 10 a good team will prevail. If not then its ok. The game is what it is.
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# 8
01-14-2013, 01:20 PM
Until Cryptic builds in functionality that lets a person set up a private arena/scenario with optional rules/restrictions, this is completely subjective and on the honor system. Until Cryptic builds in a functional tournament system with ranks and a leaderboard, the whole idea is pretty much meaningless. In my opinion.

When you can actually apply optional rules to a PvP scenario, then tournament restrictions will be meaningful, enforceable, and non-negotiable. Rules like "Sudden_Death" (No respawn), "Disable_Placate/Confuse", "Disable_C-Store_Consoles", "Escorts_Only", "VA_Only", "No_Lockbox_Ships", and more.

Better yet, a "Tournament Mode" that automatically applies a set of standard rules to a PvP scenario and puts everybody on a "level" playing field automatically.

In that scenario, there's nothing stopping you from equipping "cheese" except for the fact that it's disabled and you're gimping yourself by doing it.
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# 9
01-14-2013, 11:15 AM
Maybe you aren't real PvPers and you are thinking like a PvEer! Balance is everything for a real PvPer because he wants to fight against other real PvPers just relying on perfect knowledge of the game mechanics...and not broken game mechanics that give an advantage that makes useless the skill of the player!
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# 10
01-14-2013, 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by sgtciscoinsa View Post
PVP isnt broken. It works as intended my Cryptic. So unless Cryptic fixes it it wont improve. Dont try to make the game what it isnt.
So much of what you said made such perfect beautiful sense and then you said this.

Because really, if nothing is prohibited there can be no cheating and that is the only obvious workable solution.

But sometimes things do have unintended consequences in games. Things do not always work as intended. It's important to recognize that even as we realize the limits on our ability as players to change that even if that is only for our own well being.

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