Survivor of Remus
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 366
So heres whats happening.

You have 1 person who only gridns dil, and doesn't donate to a fleet.
You have 1 person who grinds dil and donates it all to the fleet.

The 1 person who donates everything is broke.
The person who donates none has about 2mil dil.
Cryptic u wanna sink these guys with 2 mil Dil because they will only use it when the dil Xchange plummets.

So what I think is that we need a Dil Item Exchange.

Let me post my items on the Dil Exchange for dil, so that will help dil circulate from ppl with Millions, to ppl with none. That will help your dil sink, Money will change hands to ppl who spend it.
Career Officer
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# 2
01-23-2013, 02:07 PM
Another way to see it.
One who donates alot and gets access to the fleet goodies.
One who donates nothing and gets no fleet goodies.
Hopefully, you are not just letting the hoarder wait till tier ? opens so he can buy the ship he wants? Our fleet has a donation limit to be reached before you can buy the fleet ships and other stuff.

If you mean solo players with a stack of Dil who are not spending it... it's none of your business what they do with it.
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Captain
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 518
# 3
01-23-2013, 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by brokenmirror2012 View Post
So heres whats happening.
First, Umm no, that's not what's happening.

Most people are spending their Dil to buy zen right now. Those people are also doing things like buying items with it, and spending it on Fleet and Rep projects.

Second, if people want to sit on 2 million Dil when they could of gotten over 22k Zen for that... Well that's their decision. Clearly if they're not going to spend it then, they're unlikely to spend it ever.

Lastly, why would people buy items with Dil when they can buy them for EC?
Survivor of Remus
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 366
# 4
01-23-2013, 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by cptvanor View Post
First, Umm no, that's not what's happening.

Most people are spending their Dil to buy zen right now. Those people are also doing things like buying items with it, and spending it on Fleet and Rep projects.

Second, if people want to sit on 2 million Dil when they could of gotten over 22k Zen for that... Well that's their decision. Clearly if they're not going to spend it then, they're unlikely to spend it ever.

Lastly, why would people buy items with Dil when they can buy them for EC?
They are buying Zen now. When the price goes up to like 300 dil/zen they are gonna resell and now have 10 mil Dil.

They sit on those ammounts of dil, they donate just enough to get fleet goodies, then they stop. (and anyone who sits on that much dil usualy has some really massive ammounts of EC too)
Captain
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Posts: 518
# 5
01-23-2013, 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by brokenmirror2012 View Post
They are buying Zen now. When the price goes up to like 300 dil/zen they are gonna resell and now have 10 mil Dil.
So?

You say this as if it's something wrong, and needs to be fixed. If people grind to earn Dil, then buy Zen with it. That's their call. If the price of Zen goes back up again and they buy Dil with that, then that's also up to them.

They haven't harmed anyone, they haven't done anything that breaks any rules, ToS or law...

So why should you care what they do?

If they aren't contriubiting to fleet projects then that's up to their fleet to sort out, but unless it's fleet members of yours, it again doesn't effect you.
Survivor of Remus
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 366
# 6
01-23-2013, 02:22 PM
No its cryptics problem when they try to add things and all the dil is owned by 1 group. Atleast allow that dil to circulate, or the whoel EC thing happens again.

X has 7 bil EC
Y has 300k EC

And we all know if I don't give a reason itle help cryptics pocket, It doesn't get added to STO.
Captain
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# 7
01-23-2013, 02:26 PM
I have a... decent amout of dil...

I am the #1 major contributor in my fleet, both on starbase and embassy...

I am still the one with the most... decent amount of Dil, EC and other resources in my fleet.

I don't grind.

Your argument is void.
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Captain
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# 8
01-23-2013, 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by brokenmirror2012 View Post
No its cryptics problem when they try to add things and all the dil is owned by 1 group.
Last time I checked Dil is a resource that anyone can get anytime they want. There's plenty of ways of earning Dilithium in this game. It's not like it's actually that scarce. So it's not like one group has somehow cornered the market on Dil, and no one else can earn any.

Quote:
At least allow that dil to circulate, or the whoel EC thing happens again.
And exactly what would this accomplish? I'm also not sure what you mean by the whole EC thing... If people want to sit on huge piles of EC that's up to them. It doesn't actually effect you in anyway. You can still go out and earn EC regardless of how much someone else has, same as with Dilithium.

I'm pretty sure what you really want is a way for you to get Dil without having to actually work at it, and you make up a completely illogical and BS reason why Cryptic should do it.
Captain
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 2,285
Hey, it's an MMO economy. Relax, and as a heads up - I am one of the players that spends $$ on zen to buy dil for my Starbase efforts.

Dealing with people who contribute within a fleet, is a fleet issue (albeit one where better admin tools for fleets would go a long way).

Season 7 did one thing - it essentially tripled the ways dilithium could be spent. Instead of just fleet expenses (projects and gear purchases) we now have fleet Starbase, fleet Embassy, and Reputation as dilithium sinks. Don't even get me started on new gear, consoles and weapons etc.

As a fleet admin, you could see the day reputation and embassies hit, projects stalled across the board. As an active player with 4 toons, I essentially stopped dilithium donations to projects within my own fleet. Saving up and buying all of the neat new gadgets came at a cost to everything else.

Of course, this is personal choice.

Since many of the 'overachievers' have reached T5 reps, dilithium has started to flow ever so slightly better. But the value of dilithium stays at a game history record. This is problematic for me, as I will NOT spend money on dilithium when the exchange rate stays so high.

I have bought dilithium before at 305, 240, 220, 190 and 150 exchange rates over the last 18 months. Even with the rare 'bonus' Zen events, I am no longer enticed to spend money on dilithium to help our fleet - or make my acquisition of cool stuff faster.

TAKE NOTE CRYPTIC - Dilithium is too expensive to justify buying Zen for this 'whale'

Suggestion: Sell Dilithium Asteroids

Sell limited availability Dilithium Asteroids (1x per year, per account) in the Z-Store. Dilithium Asteroids could come in 3 denominations of 1, 5 and 10 million dilithium for 2000, 9000, and 16000 zen. Dilithium conversion would be 500 to 625 per zen in this fashion.

It's priced so that it doesn't impact average F2P users; and the dilithium market would see a minor impact over time, lowering the value of dilithium. (Mathematically there would be no incentive to buy dilithium for resale use on the dilithium exchange).

It's limited availability would eliminate willful (albeit crazy) attempts to destabilize the market.

It's priced so that a paying player (<$200 per year), might buy 1 million 1x a year,

It's priced so small fleets could compete easier.

It's priced to benefit the whale (>$800 per year).

Just a thought

Admiral Thrax
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# 10
01-23-2013, 02:20 PM
You know what is really happening right. The person who donates nothing is being paid zen buy the guy who donates everything because the guy who donates everything whats a pretty starbase and the guy who is donating nothing wants the zen to make his account comfy.

What a lot of people are doing is using zen to meet the starbase quota and they are buying it from the one who contribute nothing. In reality they are being enabled by this exchange. If there were no dilithium exchange they would probably be donating.

Im pretty sure the non-contributors are not sitting on millions of dilithium.
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