Ensign
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# 1 Explanation please ?130 spent
01-28-2013, 07:13 PM
?GBP130/$204/151euro Worth of dominion lock box's opened and not even 1 jam hadar ship

I demand an explanation that is just ridiculous I know people who have opened 20 box's and got 2....

Just to give you an idea how many box's ive actually opened...

I currently have over 160 rich dilithium vain tickets...


Im not happy $204 is more than a years subscription to world of ******** also 2 thirds of a lifetime subscription to star trek online WTF...


(Also why are the forums incapable of showing the british pound symbol...)

Last edited by shagnastie; 01-28-2013 at 07:20 PM.
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# 2
01-28-2013, 07:20 PM
RNG. If you don't like to gamble, it's probably better to sell keys/modules for EC and use the EC to buy what you want.

Not sure how many Lobi you have by now, but if it's almost 800, you can just buy the Dreadnaught Carrier.
Ensign
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# 3
01-28-2013, 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by corgatag View Post
RNG. If you don't like to gamble, it's probably better to sell keys/modules for EC and use the EC to buy what you want.

Not sure how many Lobi you have by now, but if it's almost 800, you can just buy the Dreadnaught Carrier.


Thanks for the reply Corgatag I have 780 Lobi crystals and 4 keys left if I get to 800 Ill buy a dreadnaught but im not buying any more keys without a good explanation from sto as to why I havent got one

Surely u must agree with me that somethign isent right here?
Ensign
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# 4
01-28-2013, 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by shagnastie View Post
Thanks for the reply Corgatag I have 780 Lobi crystals and 4 keys left if I get to 800 Ill buy a dreadnaught but im not buying any more keys without a good explanation from sto as to why I havent got one

Surely u must agree with me that something isent right here?

I dont mind spending the money if ide gotten one

My point is with that amount of money spent and that amount of lock box's opened I should have deffinetly got at least 1 drop
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# 5
01-28-2013, 07:36 PM
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Surely u must agree with me that somethign isent right here?
In terms of getting a string of bad luck, I sympathize, but it's a real part of almost all games.

In terms of advertising, it would be nice if Cryptic actually posted probabilities, but they are not legally bound to do so and it's not in their business interests to do so. Also, users would still be unhappy because the math is a bit tricky.

Suppose the probability of getting a lockbox ship was announced to be 0.5% (1/200). Most people would just turn that upside down and assume that they only needed to spend $200 to get one. However, in actuality, there is a whopping 37% (.995^200) chance you will get 0 ships for that $200.

I think, in the end, the fact that you can just buy ships for Lobi was a decent answer. There is an upper bound of $360 you'd have to spend to get a Dreadnaught Carrier (less if there is a Zen/Key sale).

In either case, I'm also risk averse, so I will always choose the EC route.
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# 6
01-28-2013, 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by corgatag View Post
In terms of getting a string of bad luck, I sympathize, but it's a real part of almost all games.

In terms of advertising, it would be nice if Cryptic actually posted probabilities, but they are not legally bound to do so and it's not in their business interests to do so. Also, users would still be unhappy because the math is a bit tricky.

Suppose the probability of getting a lockbox ship was announced to be 0.5% (1/200). Most people would just turn that upside down and assume that they only needed to spend $200 to get one. However, in actuality, there is a whopping 37% (.995^200) chance you will get 0 ships for that $200.

I think, in the end, the fact that you can just buy ships for Lobi was a decent answer. There is an upper bound of $360 you'd have to spend to get a Dreadnaught Carrier (less if there is a Zen/Key sale).

In either case, I'm also risk averse, so I will always choose the EC route.
Agreed risk is a factor when gaming and hoping for drops
But when your talking about spending that amount of money and not getting is just greedy on there part it shouldent be possible to spend that amount and not get one

It should be capped or somthing say the max u can open without getting at least 1 of ALL rewards is $80 worth or somthing

Im heavily pi**ed off about this and I honestly cant see me buying another key or anything from the store ever again

Its not the money now its the fact im disgusted that they would allow this to happen
my opinion of the company has just hit rock bottom if im honest.
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# 7
01-28-2013, 08:43 PM
This was stated here: http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/an...php?f=118&a=81

Quote:
Q: What are the odds for getting each of the rewards in the Lock Box?
A: We are not providing exact numbers the prizes contained within the Dominion Lock Box. The average value for a normal Lock Box is around 175 Zen.
So yeah, it was a known fact that Cryptic wouldn't be posting the odds. A rough estimate is at the STOWiki, but it's a rough estimate only.
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# 8
01-28-2013, 09:38 PM
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Thanks for the reply Corgatag I have 780 Lobi crystals and 4 keys left if I get to 800 Ill buy a dreadnaught but im not buying any more keys without a good explanation from sto as to why I havent got one

Surely u must agree with me that somethign isent right here?
dude, I hate it when people assume that they are entitled to get the grand prize from a lock box based purely on the number of lock boxes that they have opened. Seriously, you underestimate the sheer probability involved in the random number generator.

You cited people who have opened 20 Dominion Lock Boxes and gotten the Jem'hadar Heavy Escort Carrier... well I have opened a grand total of FOUR dominion lock boxes in my entire time playing and I got the ship on my third box in. You appear to have opened significantly more than the average number would indicate, but that is par for the course when a Digital Random Number Generator is involved.

Each box opened has a random percentile chance of probably around 1 to 5% to give you the ship in question. Each box opened rolls that percentile chance independently of all other boxes. So if all of the boxes you opened missed that 1 to 5% chance at having a ship in it, then you won't get a ship no matter how many boxes you open.

Same holds true if you somehow miraculously roll the 1 to 5% chance on the very first box that you open. Digital Random Number Generators that are programed properly come the closest to being perfectly random that people can actually get in this world without invoking Cthulu himself.
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# 9
01-28-2013, 10:47 PM
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dude, I hate it when people assume that they are entitled to get the grand prize from a lock box based purely on the number of lock boxes that they have opened. Seriously, you underestimate the sheer probability involved in the random number generator.

You cited people who have opened 20 Dominion Lock Boxes and gotten the Jem'hadar Heavy Escort Carrier... well I have opened a grand total of FOUR dominion lock boxes in my entire time playing and I got the ship on my third box in. You appear to have opened significantly more than the average number would indicate, but that is par for the course when a Digital Random Number Generator is involved.

Each box opened has a random percentile chance of probably around 1 to 5% to give you the ship in question. Each box opened rolls that percentile chance independently of all other boxes. So if all of the boxes you opened missed that 1 to 5% chance at having a ship in it, then you won't get a ship no matter how many boxes you open.

Same holds true if you somehow miraculously roll the 1 to 5% chance on the very first box that you open. Digital Random Number Generators that are programed properly come the closest to being perfectly random that people can actually get in this world without invoking Cthulu himself.

And you find the fact that someone can almost spend the cost of a lifetime membership opening box's and not get 1 purple acceptable...

Gimme a break dude thats profiteering on cryptics part it should be capped at a certain number before it has to drop a purple for you (especially when they dont offer the option of simply buying it from c store. you have to take a chance at getting one)

if you think the above is fine or par for the course and acceptable I have no desire to speak with you further.
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# 10
01-28-2013, 11:09 PM
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(especially when they dont offer the option of simply buying it from c store. you have to take a chance at getting one)
This is the part you might not be putting together. You don't have to take the chance. You choose to. You have opened how many boxes ? I'm guessing close to 150, so I'm going to say 150.

150 Keys * 1.35Million EC each(Avg going rate) = 202,500,000 ec. That's more than enough to afford the ship you were looking for and a full set of awesome new shiny phasey polorons , or whatever else it was you wanted from the lockbox.

It's mostly all there.
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