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Commander
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 369
Hello,
I've heard a lot of negative comments about the playabe Aquarius destroyer. However, I'me getting very close to 200,000 fleet credits on one of my characters, and quite frankly, I can't think of anything else I want to do with all those fleet credits. So my question is:

What is it about the aquarius that people hate? Now I know it doesn't have all universal Boff slots, but from what I can tell, all Klingon Bird-of-Preys have 4 fore weapons and 2 aft weapons, same as the Aquarius. And Bird of Preys are VERY populaer. So it seems like a Fed should be able to at least get SOME use out of this ship. Why EXACTLY do people hate it so much?
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Captain
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 3,396
# 2
02-09-2013, 05:03 PM
It doesn't have the universals and cloak obviously, but it also lacks a BoP's superior turn rate, plus it has a shield modifier only slightly better than a shuttle. This ship gets nothing in exchange for what it gives up, roughly matching up to the Captain-level Defiant, despite a huge price tag and needing a T4 shipyard. Its just way too expensive and simply inferior to even the free T5 ships, and the only reason to fly one is for stylistic reasons. Mechanically, its simply a bad ship.
Captain
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 1,005
# 3
02-09-2013, 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by reginamala78 View Post
It doesn't have the universals and cloak obviously, but it also lacks a BoP's superior turn rate, plus it has a shield modifier only slightly better than a shuttle. This ship gets nothing in exchange for what it gives up, roughly matching up to the Captain-level Defiant, despite a huge price tag and needing a T4 shipyard. Its just way too expensive and simply inferior to even the free T5 ships, and the only reason to fly one is for stylistic reasons. Mechanically, its simply a bad ship.
http://www.stowiki.org/Aquarius_Destroyer

According to the STO Wiki, anyway, the regular Aquarius does have the universal Boff stations.

Still... aside from its universal stations, Reginamala is spot-on. The Aquarius is nothing except a neutered Defiant.

In fact, a lot of ships added to the Fleet shipyards, up to and including Fleet variants of lower-level ships, are less effective versions of something else. It's rather disappointing that, for instance, the Fleet Escort Retrofit (the Saber-class and its variants) have things like a 0.77 shield modifier when the standard at the Fleet level for escorts is 0.9 - 0.99.

I was hoping to see a lot more variety in Federation starships doing STFs after the Fleet system came out, but all I ever see are Alien ships, Odysseys, Vestas, and the same escorts we've always had.
Captain
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 526
# 4
02-09-2013, 06:05 PM
Yeah, its kinda sad looking at the stats given to some of the ships. The Aquarius needs a buff or dropped down to a tier 1 shipyard at a reduced price. Can you even fly that thing as a shuttle?

Anywho, reasons to buy it:

-To stand out from the crowd
-Know that its a rare ship to be flown
-Its looks
-Arguably for its boff slots.
Career Officer
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 744
# 5
02-10-2013, 12:44 AM
The ship, both the regular and fleet versions, will get a shield hp increase next week. Check out Tribble for the new stat.
Captain
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 2,192
# 6
02-10-2013, 01:56 AM
It's ship for masochists. You intentionally gimp yourself and pay for it to Cryptic in return.
Captain
Join Date: Jun 2012
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# 7
02-10-2013, 02:56 AM
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Originally Posted by coffeemike View Post
The ship, both the regular and fleet versions, will get a shield hp increase next week. Check out Tribble for the new stat.
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/sh...d.php?t=544891

Patch notes, in case anyone was curious.

And before anyone goes hunting for it like I did, no, they did not give Fleet Tactical Escort Retrofits the lacking 10% boost to its shield modifier that every other Fleet ship has.
Captain
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 1,648
# 8
02-10-2013, 05:53 AM
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Originally Posted by thratch1 View Post
http://www.stowiki.org/Aquarius_Destroyer

According to the STO Wiki, anyway, the regular Aquarius does have the universal Boff stations.
By "the universal Boff stations" I assume reginamala meant the fully-universal setup that the Birds of Prey have, rather than a wimpy Lt+En universal that everyone's just going to use like an existing, tougher escort anyway (Patrol, Advanced, and Blockade Runner Escorts are the most likely setups I see, and all are tougher without losing much mobility). The advantage of a Bird of Prey is its flexibility combined with its ability to mitigate its fragility by using its Battle Cloak to escape a tough situation (using it to get away when your shields are already down) or to create a lethal alpha strike (by decloaking when your enemy's buffs run down).

The real kicker for the Fleet version is that there's no way to get the discount (though I think that owning the Tac Ody should do so for the Aquarius and the War Bortasqu' should do so for the Hoh'SuS... which is, by the way, in every way a superior ship), and yet the Fleet Aquarius does little to mitigate its problems compared to both BoPs and Escorts.
Career Officer
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 4,448
# 9
02-10-2013, 06:02 AM
I'm going to have to offer a contrary opinion on this: Fly what you're happy to fly.

Opinions are all well and good, but that's ALL they are - opinions. There are players who'll make the Aquarius work for them - some may even make it work well. Yes, it's a watered-down Defiant, but seriously, this game isn't about doing what everyone else thinks you should do. And since they're improving it's shields it could well be a more viable option anyway.

My ship of choice is usually a Fleet Rhode Island - far from the most powerful ship in the game and definitely not a high DPS producer, but it's my favorite trek ship, has been since I saw it in 'Endgame', and I'm not having anyone tell me I should be flying something else.

If you want to buy the Aquarius I say go for it, and play STO the way YOU want to play it.
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Commander
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 453
# 10
02-10-2013, 06:14 AM
Personally, I find it ugly. Additionally, it's just weak. The low hull hit points and shield modifier make it rather fragile and the 4/2 weapon layout gimps your damage. I'm not really sure what the thought process was when they decided on the stats for the Aquarius. With that said if you think it's cool looking you will still be able to do most anything in the game up to and including elite stf's, but you will do less damage then in pretty much any other escort and you will most likely be seeing the re-spawn button a lot.


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