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# 1 power drain
02-25-2013, 05:42 PM
something needs to be done about power drain builds. with all the diff versions of pol weapons and flow cap a low lvl skill they have become way too powerful. there are escorts in game that can depower oddys and galaxy's just by shooting them! they dont even need to use Boff powers to do it.and thats just one ship when there is 2 or more there is no point in even trying(i ran a full power insulator setup and it made little if any diff on my eng cruiser vs a power drain escort) with phaser/pol, tet/pol,disrupter/pol and regular pol(for those on a budget)they have the most adaptability of any energy type. i think that this should be limited to sci ships and cruisers, escorts dont need this added ability on top of the already high dps they have.


and thats not counting the plasmonic leach which even makes it worse. when the feds get it will just 2X the number of ships doing it.


ether flow cap stops boosting pol procs, make it a higher lvl skill( so escorts have to sacrifice something for the bonus) or change the proc so it does less drain.(i think it had a different proc once something about crew i dont remember)


im sure il get hate and learn to play bs for saying this but someone had too
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# 2 Power draining Carrier
02-25-2013, 06:38 PM
I have to agree 10 fold.. The power drain in this game is BS.. I liked it much better when you had to train for your type of ship, That made a fair bit of difference with issues like this.. And yes either a Nerf or making the power drain a VA level skill would work well.. As it stands I have a Klingon carrier with power siphons, and tetryon arrays.. I tested it on power insulator build (Sci Oddy with 4x Mk XII blue power insulator consoles and 9 ranks in power insulators) My waves of siphon pods took all power to 15 across the board. We then tried Nadion Inversion in concert with EPS flow 3 to see if that would help.. Result? 20-25 across the board, This cruiser didn't have enough power to weapons to kill the shielded pods.. So yes Power Drain needs a MAJOR nerf.

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# 3
02-25-2013, 06:48 PM
Siphon Drones have already been changed once, but the overall consensus is that they need looked at again.

Plasmonic Leech has already been looked at once, but I doubt they'll do it again.

Polaron weapons have already been changed once. I haven't used them in a while, but from what I remember of the changes, Polarons alone shouldn't be dropping you. Even if an Escort is rocking 4x Flow Cap consoles, since the proc should have diminishing returns. Severely cripple, yes, but no sap you dry.

But I wholly agree; Plasmonic Leech is a crummy ability. Way too much gain for a little loss. Especially now that KDF also has access to MACO (the main argument before being that KDF had nothing against the free +Power from MACO shields). Feds are undoubtedly going to get it soon, making it all the worse.
The first we heard of getting new PvP maps "soon" was in August of 2010. We're consistently told something will be coming with the "next" update. Absolutely nothing has come to PvP since launch.

I think it's finally time Cryptic stopped stringing us along, don't you?
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# 4
02-25-2013, 07:28 PM
my main concern is escort drain builds since no escorts can run syphon drones but yes that is a issue. pol only escorts cant cripple a cruiser by drain alone but the dmg and drain is a lethal combo in a prolonged fight and since most eng cruisers(which has the best ability to resist power drain) dont have the dmg to kill a escort 99% of the time the escort will win especialy with the variety of pol weapons(more than any other type).



some escorts are better at power drain than sci ships since they can fire weapons faster and have higher dps. since sci ships are the ones that get the power drain pets i dont see that as much as a issue since sci ships excluding vesta(which has no kdf counter) are at the bottom of the dps list


the leach is a console that will never be totally balanced and as much as i love the kdf it should never have been allowed on escorts or at least never been made universal.



these days any escort can be turned into a drain ship with pol weapons and flow capacitors since its a ensign lvl skill

Last edited by silverashes1; 02-25-2013 at 07:32 PM.
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# 5
02-25-2013, 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by silverashes1 View Post
something needs to be done about power drain builds. with all the diff versions of pol weapons and flow cap a low lvl skill they have become way too powerful. there are escorts in game that can depower oddys and galaxy's just by shooting them! they dont even need to use Boff powers to do it.and thats just one ship when there is 2 or more there is no point in even trying(i ran a full power insulator setup and it made little if any diff on my eng cruiser vs a power drain escort) with phaser/pol, tet/pol,disrupter/pol and regular pol(for those on a budget)they have the most adaptability of any energy type. i think that this should be limited to sci ships and cruisers, escorts dont need this added ability on top of the already high dps they have.


and thats not counting the plasmonic leach which even makes it worse. when the feds get it will just 2X the number of ships doing it.


ether flow cap stops boosting pol procs, make it a higher lvl skill( so escorts have to sacrifice something for the bonus) or change the proc so it does less drain.(i think it had a different proc once something about crew i dont remember)


im sure il get hate and learn to play bs for saying this but someone had too
You must have not been around before Season 5. Those were the good old days when you could be one shot by a Tric torpedo after having all your shield power sucked away by a well timed Tyken's Rift 3 and Target Shields 1 combination. Really we don't have it too bad at the moment when you think about how things used to be. The KDF is the only faction right now with the potential for a really devastating power drain ship anyway. A fed ship can still get good results but no where near what the KDF can do.

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# 6
02-25-2013, 07:46 PM
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You must have not been around before Season 5. Those were the good old days when you could be one shot by a Tric torpedo after having having all your shield power sucked away with a well timed Tyken's Rift 3 and Target Shields 1 combination. Really we don't have it too bad at the moment. The KDF is the only faction right now with the potential for a really devastating power drain ship anyway. A fed ship can still get good results but no where near what the KDF can do.
i was around then and it wasnt quite that bad. my point was drain builds on escort type ships(difiant mobius garumba and krenn to name a few) and on that point the only thing that kdf escort type ships have is the leach. syphons are sci carrier only and are only effective once the "latch on" to a ship escorts can drain just by shooting. most escorts cant afford to lose a heal for a rift so thats limated to sci ships(face it they need to be good at something


note to all who read this: this is a general statement for both factions

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# 7
02-25-2013, 09:12 PM
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i was around then and it wasnt quite that bad.
Honestly, I don't know how anyone could arrive at that conclusion seeing as though there is one huge difference between the game played now compared to the way it was prior to S5. That difference being resists. Power drains builds, in particular, are in the worst shape they've ever been in this game at the moment. I can agree Siphon Drones need tempered but one of the worst things that could happen to this game right now is for the devs to go screwing with Science abilities even further. That also includes other things that run synergy with them including Polarons. Part of the problem is that there is less opportunity cost for people who want to run Polarons than what there used to be so you see more people running them on the field now. That is a negative outcome that came with the skill tree revamp over a year ago. If decent mods actually came on antiproton weapons there would be a thread complaining about huge crits right now instead of this one complaining about drains.

Last edited by rooster75; 02-25-2013 at 09:38 PM.
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# 8
02-26-2013, 05:10 AM
again this post was about power drain escorts not sci abilatys syphons cant go on any escort
they are carrier exclusive. what i am talking about is making it harder for tac/escorts to power drain AND dps at the same time
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# 9
02-26-2013, 11:00 PM
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i was around then and it wasnt quite that bad. my point was drain builds on escort type ships(difiant mobius garumba and krenn to name a few) and on that point the only thing that kdf escort type ships have is the leach. syphons are sci carrier only and are only effective once the "latch on" to a ship escorts can drain just by shooting. most escorts cant afford to lose a heal for a rift so thats limated to sci ships(face it they need to be good at something


note to all who read this: this is a general statement for both factions
Sorry, its sound like you are suggesting resrictions on a weapon type. I would not think that is a viable solution.

I also do not believe that an escort armed with polarons as any more op than an escort with phasers. Phaser procs are just as problematic.

If you would argue that the KDF have the leech, I could turn that argument on its head. (points conveniently to the 5-tac console, 5-weapon, pet spewing Andorian escort, Danube-spawn Armitage, 5-TAC console pet-capable MVAE, etc etc.)

I believe that we are seeing the result of one problem.

The lack of alternatives for the KDF.

What else are we suppose to play with?

Sure the KDF can probably match any build any fed ships has, but we lack the ships to complement the builds.

If there is a sudden surge of drain builds out there, I can bet it has to do with the level of frustration KDF players are feeling.

Last edited by drkfrontiers; 02-27-2013 at 12:43 PM.
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# 10
02-26-2013, 11:08 PM
I'm confused here...

What are escorts using to drain power that a science ship can't use?

Seriously, what is it?

Also, moving flow caps higher in the tree would be a massive nerf to science abilities since most of them are effected by this skill.


But really, what are escorts using to drain power better then science ships?
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