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Captain
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This post assumes that they somehow are.

In this scenario, I'm thinking they allow the KDF to be your starting faction, add a tutorial that instantly levels you to lv 10 once done, up each individual mission rewards so that you level twice after each mission, and call it a day.

This will come at a price, and I think I know what it is. And further more why PWE has authorized Cryptic to spend time fixing the KDF.

They will drastically reduce the rewards from Marauding, and effectively remove contraband for all reward tables. Your only sources of contraband will only be from those missions that the Fed have access to get contraband.

(I'd use much bigger font if I were allowed to.)

This will, together with the change to remove PVP wrappers from the game as part of fixing PVP, cause the utter and total demise of dil farming, dropping it right down to CO levels where only dedication will get you to currency cap for 1 character only.

The price of zen will crash because dil sources dry up. Already, increasing requirements for pvp wrappers gave the market a 3 point hit, bouyed only by larger fleets doing speed pvp with the mass to complete a match fast.

Once that is cut down by PVP 'fixes' and KDF 'completion', we will be in a far worse place than we are now.






So, to recap, for all the 'benefits' Cryptic will 'give' us, they will drastically reduce the rewards from Marauding, remove pvp wrappers, and effectively remove contraband from all AFK-able reward tables.






I pray that I am wrong, but the signs are telling. Not to mention the fact that they sat with their hands close to their chest about axing the IOR fleet mark rewards for months just because they wanted to drum up positivity during the Anniversary sets a dangerous precedent for all future big nerfs we will all cry foul about. They could be looking at PVP and doffing, and thinking how to further reduce players abilities to farm currency 'willy-nilly', and we will be none the wiser instead of farming desperately for dry times ahead.

So, in the mean time, please stop saying PVP and KDF fixes will somehow save your game. I fear that we will only suffer for what some of us wish for.
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To be able to smile and forgive everything;
That's right, if we light up the dream in our hearts without averting our eyes;
We should be able to walk whatever tomorrow comes...

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# 2
03-02-2013, 06:13 AM
I understand where you are coming from...but to be honest, this perspective sort of offends me.

The KDF is NOT JUST a farming faction for dilithium.

To be blunt -- I would rather have a playable faction, with content, vessels, and gameplay comparable to the Federation, than to be a second-rate faction primarily used by Federation captains on alts to farm dilithium that goes straight to the exchange in return for Zen.

So...if the faction really is completed, complete with a full stable of fleet ships, content, and missions, and the price is the removal or reduction of our enhanced ability to farm dilithium..to me that is a fair trade.
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# 3
03-02-2013, 06:22 AM
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I understand where you are coming from...but to be honest, this perspective sort of offends me.

The KDF is NOT JUST a farming faction for dilithium.

To be blunt -- I would rather have a playable faction, with content, vessels, and gameplay comparable to the Federation, than to be a second-rate faction primarily used by Federation captains on alts to farm dilithium that goes straight to the exchange in return for Zen.

So...if the faction really is completed, complete with a full stable of fleet ships, content, and missions, and the price is the removal or reduction of our enhanced ability to farm dilithium..to me that is a fair trade.
I also understand where you are coming from. I myself play both sides, as a Federation Section 31 operative, and his part-time accomplice (and full-time nemesis) -- an Orion Marauder, smuggler and slave mistress. I too would be happy if I could get the full KDF spread of ships that the Fed have in exchange for losing the power to dil-farm like all get out.

But as that takes much more effort than giving a token effort, call the KDF complete, and then use that as an excuse to kill off dil farming.

My fear is that it will end up with the Fed farmers crying foul for losing their source of dil, and the honorable warriors of the KDF baying blood for a half-assed result.

But I don't profess to have any proof of my theory, so I hope that is that. Just wanted to bring it up as food for thought, and maybe some discussion.
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Originally Posted by Lt. Comm. Pion
What should I wish upon the endless universe;
To be able to smile and forgive everything;
That's right, if we light up the dream in our hearts without averting our eyes;
We should be able to walk whatever tomorrow comes...

I am V. Adm. Kha Yuung, and I approve of this message.
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# 4
03-02-2013, 11:18 AM
ok, first off its only marginally easier to farm Dilithium KDF side. We have a few more way we can get it. No r which faction you are in there is only so much dilithium you can refine per day.

I can go dilithium farming on one of my fed toons and easily grind out 4 times the dilithium that I can refine per day even with my vet refining bonus. Doing it on my KDF toons takes less time because there are a hair more missions that reward dilithium, and my KDF get around the game universe just a little faster.


The KDF was not made a part of STO to sit as something you could EXPLOIT for its capabilities. You want Dilithium, a little easier to get a KDF.. but you still have to pretty much do the same things to pull it off. Want to get samples for crafting? Again much easier to do if your KDF. WHy? Duuu! LOOK AT THE MAP!..4 exploration zone boardaring on the KDF home sector block! We used to have a problem when crafting was hot of feds with diplomacy farming our explotion zones for data samples. It was more then a little annoying. Especially considering at the time that MARUDING didn't exist. We couldn't even force them to fight for the privelege.

This is why I consider the bulk of Fed players unthinking grubby little jerks who DON'T get Roddenberry, DON'T get Star Trek, and DON'T get the Federation. ANd I'm still unhappy with the comprimise the studio made as a solution.. Instead of making KDF exploration zone impassable to Fed players, they allowed KDF player to be able to enter fed exploration zones.. but we still couldn't enter Sirus sector yet.

If all your interested in is how easy it is to farm/grind certain items on the KDF side, I am honestly of the opinion that you need to have your KDF toons not only axed, but be banned from KDF play.

I see it as entirly unlikely that any KDF advantages in resourse gathering are going to be nerfed any time within the next year. More likely whats going to happen is Federation players will have opportunities provided that will make it easier for them to get more dilithium. Thats the way Cryptic has done things in the past for good or ill. they'll just get it done so the customers stop bothering them about it. It may not be nice, polite or politic to say, but it is the way it is. Better they do it that way, then actually try to fix things which is bound to simply make everyone unhappy.
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# 5
03-02-2013, 12:07 PM
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I can go dilithium farming on one of my fed toons and easily grind out 4 times the dilithium that I can refine per day even with my vet refining bonus. Doing it on my KDF toons takes less time because there are a hair more missions that reward dilithium, and my KDF get around the game universe just a little faster.
This.

The OPs scenario seems kinda far fetched, since they could just remove or reduce contraband at the snip of a finger the way they changed the contraband turn-in before or how they changed STF or IOR rewards and wouldn't have to go through the trouble of creating level 1-25 content.

Even if they were to reduce contraband production or remove the turn-in doff assignment completely, it would probably barely make a dent in Zen-Dil prices. Dilithium is currently available everywhere and the only thing that effects the exchange rate or keeps it stable is the 8k refinement cap. People would just invest a few minutes more each day and still hit the cap.
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# 6
03-02-2013, 12:42 PM
Is there any chance that we could stop getting Fed players coming in here to talk down at us about their completely off-base understanding of the KDF's problems and purposes are? Just because one of your dilithium farming alts is KDF doesn't mean that you actually have a handle on what the average KDF main has had to deal with for the past 3 years.

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This is why I consider the bulk of Fed players unthinking grubby little jerks who DON'T get Roddenberry, DON'T get Star Trek, and DON'T get the Federation.
The sheer number of people in this game that have apparently been watching the show on mute astounds me.
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# 7
03-02-2013, 07:59 PM
Uh yeah.. if they remove the ability to farm dil and contraband on KDF I think I'll just quit the game all together. Being a space jew is the only thing keeping me in STO these days other than the ****ty RPers in Droz. I have played KDF for 3 years now and I've seen everything unique to go fed and now some ****heads are asking for frigates/raiders to be given to fed as well.
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# 8
03-02-2013, 09:27 PM
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Is there any chance that we could stop getting Fed players coming in here to talk down at us about their completely off-base understanding of the KDF's problems and purposes are? Just because one of your dilithium farming alts is KDF doesn't mean that you actually have a handle on what the average KDF main has had to deal with for the past 3 years.
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# 9
03-03-2013, 12:35 AM
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ok, first off its only marginally easier to farm Dilithium KDF side. We have a few more way we can get it. No r which faction you are in there is only so much dilithium you can refine per day.
Wut? No.

With just TWO KDF farmer alts you can get enough DIl to cap themselves and three (sometimes two) federation characters. it IS a hassle but it can be done in teh fraction of the time it'd take to the same with just regular grinding.
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# 10
03-03-2013, 01:22 AM
I admit to using my Klingon alts primarily for farming.

The KDF ships have always been better than their federation counterparts for survivability and dps. I am speaking of Klingon ships, not lockbox options. So for grinding, they rock.

Playing a Klingon has intrigued me at the beginning, especially when I saw the capabilities of their ships. Battle cloak? Hell yes! The few 'original' content episodes were interesting, but I quickly bored of the fantasy elements.

Group missions are harder to organize; epohh tagging as a Klingon anyone?

I joined a Klingon fleet, but it's been little more than a personal vanity project for the fleets owners. Access to resources is limited at best. I'll donate the odd crew member or asset. Any fleet marks I build I donate. Dilithium however is destined for my very active federation fleet.

I am not alone in this. I regularly play with others who do the exact same thing, and feel the same way.

PvP isn't for me even for Feds. So the thought of investing time into a Klingon PvP toon is not in the cards. The Foundary gave me hope for Klingon content, and some missions raised my hopes to make the KDF something I would want to play. New ships are cool (I buy Fed ships routinely), but nothing about the KDF ships screams 'I must buy this'.

edit: I did buy the Guramba Siege Destroyer after I saw it's effectiveness in the STF's. The T5 variants look awesome, but not enough to support developing a fleet where I 'might' get access to buy it. Yes, I can change fleets, but at this stage why bother?

Don't get me wrong - KDF has been worth playing. Seeing the other side of the equation has been fun. But there's really nothing that makes me want to use it for anything more than a source of dilithium.

Now if STO adds a romulan faction, that's something I'd pay to play.

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