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Neither abilities are doing anything in their respective slots, so why not just give DEM over to Engineering captains. It'll give them a useful damage-based ability that they do not have at present.

Nadion inversion only exists to compensate for flaws and is often used hand-in-hand with EPS, so why not simply combine the effects of the two?

Last edited by eraserfish; 03-20-2013 at 01:22 AM.
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# 2
03-20-2013, 01:48 AM
ni keeps my engies weapon power at 125 for the duration, not an effect i want to loose.
if you mean add dem to the ni effect, the way the the dem doff adds weapon drain resistance...

it would be an interesting analogue to tac power, "ha you may out dps me, but i make your shield mushy".

as for eps, if it worked like eptX4 it would be a much more interesting power. granting engies a psudo alpha strike, but with a more defensive posture to it.
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# 3
03-20-2013, 07:07 AM
NI would be useful if it lasted longer and recycled faster, it does put some pretty considerable damage out while its up, problem is, it is very rarely up, definitely not long enough for high pressure to do enough damage. You could add DEM to NI, that'd be interesting..

EPS being throwable gives it some good multi-purpose uses right now
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# 4
03-20-2013, 08:28 AM
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NI would be useful if it lasted longer and recycled faster, it does put some pretty considerable damage out while its up, problem is, it is very rarely up, definitely not long enough for high pressure to do enough damage. You could add DEM to NI, that'd be interesting..

EPS being throwable gives it some good multi-purpose uses right now
The problem I have with the ability is that essentially only exists to compensate for weaknesses inherent with cruisers and beam weapons.

In any case, my intention was to merge EPS and Nadion, not Nadion and DEM. Nadion would be somewhat more useful if it was not only merged with EPS to provide power boost+resistance, but was also transferable. As for DEM, making it an Engineer Captain skill would give them something of a direct damage skill and by extension, would help out cruiser captains by giving them an offensive skill without having to give up the highly useful Lt Cmdr and Cmdr Engineering for it.

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# 5
03-20-2013, 07:07 PM
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The problem I have with the ability is that essentially only exists to compensate for weaknesses inherent with cruisers and beam weapons.
And it's terrible at that because the cooldown is pointlessly long. Yay, I get to do as much damage as I'm supposed to be doing! For 30 seconds. Once per battle.
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03-21-2013, 05:00 AM
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And it's terrible at that because the cooldown is pointlessly long. Yay, I get to do as much damage as I'm supposed to be doing! For 30 seconds. Once per battle.
^This X9999.9r
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03-21-2013, 05:33 AM
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And it's terrible at that because the cooldown is pointlessly long. Yay, I get to do as much damage as I'm supposed to be doing! For 30 seconds. Once per battle.
^^ Agreed! And don't get me started on BAs. Enough has been said about them. Eng/Cruisers need more love
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# 8
03-21-2013, 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by eraserfish View Post
The problem I have with the ability is that essentially only exists to compensate for weaknesses inherent with cruisers and beam weapons.

In any case, my intention was to merge EPS and Nadion, not Nadion and DEM. Nadion would be somewhat more useful if it was not only merged with EPS to provide power boost+resistance, but was also transferable. As for DEM, making it an Engineer Captain skill would give them something of a direct damage skill and by extension, would help out cruiser captains by giving them an offensive skill without having to give up the highly useful Lt Cmdr and Cmdr Engineering for it.
DEM is rather weak and hardly worth it by comparison to NI. Also you do realize that NI actually does more than just keep your weapons power maxed right? It stops enemies from draining your power and even lessons the effect of things like Tachyon beam on your shields. (I know it does not matter when players use their super nerfed Tickle Beam version but the Borg version still works.)
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# 9
03-26-2013, 07:29 PM
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DEM is rather weak and hardly worth it by comparison to NI. Also you do realize that NI actually does more than just keep your weapons power maxed right? It stops enemies from draining your power and even lessons the effect of things like Tachyon beam on your shields. (I know it does not matter when players use their super nerfed Tickle Beam version but the Borg version still works.)
I'm fairly sure that Nadion Inversion ONLY works on energy. As for the Borg draining power, that is suitably counteracted by simply putting 3 ranks into Power Insulators skill.

If anyone has read the first post, I did not say anything about removing it completely. I said that its effects should be combined with EPS Transfer. In hindsight, I probably should have made the topic title "Merge EPS Transfer with Nadion Inversion".
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# 10
03-21-2013, 07:41 PM
nadion is my fav option on an engineer........Goof ole borg shield drains are negated or any shield loss due to drain. I does love it....i use it in conjuntion with broadsides to maximize my dps potential because I am not loosing muh power...OR on my ships that have special abilities like the lotus thingee...I dont loose as much...



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