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# 1 An Alternative
03-30-2013, 12:48 AM
I was looking through the forums and saw another give all fed ships a cloak form, and about a million people arguing over it. I for one don't care if all fed Ships have cloaks, the Dreadnought is fine for me. I do however dislike the fact that the cloak takes up a console slot. So I Propose an alternative that should make the KDF trolls and feds who like the cloak, somewhat happy. You see its simple, take away the cloak console and just have it integrated into the Defiant and Galaxy X like the Spinal Lance is. BAM, No feds whining the cloak console should be universal and no KDF ******** them out because Fed's obviously cant ever own a cloak because its like killing puppies while having sex with a monkey. I mean come on you KDF ****ers ***** and ***** while the Feds whine and whine it makes me want to ****ing shoot myself. Forgive my language...

PS. I support the idea of ALL Crusiers, FED and KDF getting more turnrate, Im sick of this Escort for the win ****, and Im a Tactical Captain

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# 2
03-30-2013, 12:58 AM
Yes to turn rate.

As to everything else, that is not within the realm of my concern.

However, I'm pretty sure that people will complain about integrating the cloaking device into those ships for one reason or another.
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# 3
03-30-2013, 01:03 AM
Are you aware that the cloak console was originally integrated into the ship itself (i.e. your suggestion was what was done before the status quo)? They made it a console to give players the option to use it or something else back on December 1, 2011.
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# 4
03-30-2013, 01:23 AM
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Originally Posted by phyrexianhero View Post
Are you aware that the cloak console was originally integrated into the ship itself (i.e. your suggestion was what was done before the status quo)? They made it a console to give players the option to use it or something else back on December 1, 2011.
but the only two ships you can use it on COME WITH A ****ING CLOAK! So this console is pointless, it should be integrated. its just another way the Dread was nerfed
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# 5
03-30-2013, 02:42 AM
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but the only two ships you can use it on COME WITH A ****ING CLOAK! So this console is pointless, it should be integrated. its just another way the Dread was nerfed
I'm not sure you understand -- your suggestion would nerf the Dreadnought, not the other way around. They added a console slot and made the cloak a console.

If your idea of integrating the cloak and you weren't using a sci slot, now you lost that needed engineering slot. Or if you weren't using the cloak at all, now you're out a console as well. Cryptic was right in their 2011 decision because it gives the player more flexibility -- your idea would take that flexibility away and nerf both the Defiant and Dreadnought.

Also, all the old T5 ships were given consoles that can only be used on their respective ships. This isn't news -- it's been around for almost 16 months.
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# 6
03-30-2013, 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by phyrexianhero View Post
I'm not sure you understand -- your suggestion would nerf the Dreadnought, not the other way around. They added a console slot and made the cloak a console.

If your idea of integrating the cloak and you weren't using a sci slot, now you lost that needed engineering slot. Or if you weren't using the cloak at all, now you're out a console as well. Cryptic was right in their 2011 decision because it gives the player more flexibility -- your idea would take that flexibility away and nerf both the Defiant and Dreadnought.

Also, all the old T5 ships were given consoles that can only be used on their respective ships. This isn't news -- it's been around for almost 16 months.
if the Cloak was re integrated and the console slot was kept the dreadnought for the first time since the oddy came out wouldnt be nerfed, it would be upgraded and yeah I know, I've been around since launch, but I still think a cloak console that can only be used on two ships causes too much ********
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# 7
03-31-2013, 05:22 AM
I actually agree with you OP. IT would make it far simpler wouldn't it.

I personally would like this done as I sometimes jump on my Sao Paulo Defiant just for kicks and adding the consoles I need as a sci captain can be troublesome.

I'd also like to see the cloak for these ships be allowed to cloak in battle. It makes sense because they did it throughout the DS9 series.
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# 8
03-31-2013, 11:02 AM
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I actually agree with you OP. IT would make it far simpler wouldn't it.

I personally would like this done as I sometimes jump on my Sao Paulo Defiant just for kicks and adding the consoles I need as a sci captain can be troublesome.

I'd also like to see the cloak for these ships be allowed to cloak in battle. It makes sense because they did it throughout the DS9 series.
indeed, and this could be accomplished quite well if they worked out the sensors vs stealth equasion so that a ship with a high sensors skill could take the role of hunting dog and be able to still chase a cloaked ship.

this is an idea i have been arguing for since coming to the forums, why cant a sci/escort by a recon hunter/killer? why cant a tac/cruiser be a siege destroyer? why cant a engie /sci be an aoe wizard?

why cant i take a small ship like a tac escort or bop and dominate in hit & run tactics? or take a bort and take the role of lynch-pin for the group?

all because some dullards want to push a restrictive and broken model...
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# 9
03-31-2013, 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by phyrexianhero View Post
So your proposal is a slightly-veiled free console slot to the Dreadnought and Defiant. That sounds like power creep, since the Klingon ships with cloak are losing a console to have it but unlike Fed side they don't get an option to lose cloak and use something else instead. Would you also want all KDF ships with cloak to get an extra console?
If so, that'd currently consist of buffing all bird-of-prey ships (B'rel, QulDun, Norgh, Norgh Refit, Ki'tang, Ki'tang Refit, Hegh'ta, B'rel Retrofit, Fleet Ningtao Retrofit, Hoh'SuS, Fleet Hoh'SuS, Fleet B'Rel Retrofit), the raptors (Somraw, Qorgh, Qorgh Refit, Pach, Pach Refit, Qin, Mirror Qin, Peghqu', Somraw Retrofit, Fleet Somraw Retrofit, Fleet Qin), and the battle cruisers (K'Tanco, K't'inga, K't'inga Refit, Kamarg, Vor'cha, Vor'cha Refit, Negh'Var, Vor'cha Retrofit, Mirror Vor'cha, Kamarag Retrofit, Bortas, Bortasqu' Command, Bortasqu' Tactical, Bortasqu' War, K't'inga Retrofit, Fleet K't'inga Retrofit, Fleet Vor'cha Retrofit, Fleet Kamarag Retrofit).
I do not care about the KDF, this is pertaining to the TWO fed ships that have a cloak, with a dumbass cloak console


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Originally Posted by the1tigglet View Post
I actually agree with you OP. IT would make it far simpler wouldn't it.

I personally would like this done as I sometimes jump on my Sao Paulo Defiant just for kicks and adding the consoles I need as a sci captain can be troublesome.

I'd also like to see the cloak for these ships be allowed to cloak in battle. It makes sense because they did it throughout the DS9 series.
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indeed, and this could be accomplished quite well if they worked out the sensors vs stealth equasion so that a ship with a high sensors skill could take the role of hunting dog and be able to still chase a cloaked ship.

this is an idea i have been arguing for since coming to the forums, why cant a sci/escort by a recon hunter/killer? why cant a tac/cruiser be a siege destroyer? why cant a engie /sci be an aoe wizard?

why cant i take a small ship like a tac escort or bop and dominate in hit & run tactics? or take a bort and take the role of lynch-pin for the group?

all because some dullards want to push a restrictive and broken model...
Exactly
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# 10
03-31-2013, 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by general1devon View Post
I do not care about the KDF, this is pertaining to the TWO fed ships that have a cloak, with a dumbass cloak console
I wanted to make sure that was the case -- if you were willing to give up the console that Cryptic gave in order to give you the choice for a console, bringing the Defiant and Dreadnought to where they were before Cryptic buffed them then your argument may seem less driven based on powering up the ship or ships you play and no others (KDF) which did sacrifice a console slot for their innate cloak.
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