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# 1 Cruisers - are they fun?
04-12-2013, 12:49 PM
I have a very simple question. Can cruisers be fun? I'm not talking about massive DPS. Can they be fun? No flame wars on Escorts vs. Cruisers vs. Barbies or whatever. I'm not looking for the ultimate build to play. I just want to know from people that have run with Cruisers on whether they can be fun to do. Personally I play a Tac, but I'm curious about Eng and Sci as well.

I'm lvl 50 now, so I'm mainly concerned with end game cruisers. What's enjoyable, what's not. What are people enjoying.
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# 2
04-12-2013, 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by fluffydoorman View Post
I have a very simple question. Can cruisers be fun? I'm not talking about massive DPS. Can they be fun? No flame wars on Escorts vs. Cruisers vs. Barbies or whatever. I'm not looking for the ultimate build to play. I just want to know from people that have run with Cruisers on whether they can be fun to do. Personally I play a Tac, but I'm curious about Eng and Sci as well.

I'm lvl 50 now, so I'm mainly concerned with end game cruisers. What's enjoyable, what's not. What are people enjoying.
Personally, yes! I love to fly my Excelsior Retrofit with my Engineer - but he also flies an Advanced Escort just fine.

Cruisers are supposed to be healers and also distract the target (though Procs and firepower) so that the other ships, the escorts and sci ships, can do their jobs easier.

Regarding character role vs ship type, Tactical officers are best suited for Escorts, Engineers as best for Cruisers and Science... you know. But that does not mean that an Eng can't fly an escort or a tac cannot fly a science cruiser.. they can, just not as efficiently.

For you it really comes down to your play style and what YOU think is FUN. Try out different ships, mirror ships can be purchases on the Exchange for 100K to 900K.. a lot less expensive than the Dilithium ships and C-Store ships.

Hope this helps.
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# 3
04-12-2013, 02:23 PM
My main character since I started playing the game 3 years ago is an Engineer. When I started her, I flew the cruisers that were available when the game first launched. At the time I couldn't stand them...They turned like a pig in the mud, and didn't really put out the damage I wanted.

So after reaching level 50 with Selenia, I took a leap and got a Defiant Refit with my RA-UH (didn't even have VA's at the time...) ship token and loved it. For the longest time, I ran Selenia in Escorts exclusively. Eventually I got bored with that flying style and went back to Cruisers. Also I had started getting into PvP at this time and decided I wanted to try to be a healer because she just couldn't keep up with the damage output of a Tac in an Escort. So I went and bought an Excelsior Refit.

Since that time, I've pretty much flown only cruisers with her. Are Cruisers fun? To me they are because they suit my preference of being a tank/healer (Vesta's make a great healer with an Engineer at the helm, too).

I would say, if you like the playstyle of the "fighter" mentality of an escort, stay with escorts. If you are bored with your escorts, as I was, give an Excelsior a try. One of my fleet mates is downright scary in his Fleet Excelsior with his tac captain at the helm. It is a different playstyle, but it is fun if you like that sort of thing

Hope my little rambling helps

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# 4
04-12-2013, 02:34 PM
I have 2 characters in cruisers.

One is an engineer in a science odyssey and he is BOSS! massive healer / tank. When I pvp and rack up 2 to 3 million in heals on my team it's incredibly fun

I also have a tac in a dreadnought. I could always use the fleet excelsior or sovereign but it's extremely fun when you connect with the lance or just whittle someone down with a buffed broadside.

Ever try to go into a Cap n Hold with a 5 man team all in cruisers? Lol try it lol
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# 5
04-12-2013, 02:44 PM
Cruisers are fun for me namely for "broadsiding powerslides". It takes some practice and it definitely freaked our some of my fleetmates the first time they saw me do it.
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# 6
04-12-2013, 04:36 PM
As a tact captain I recently returned to cruisers after a long stint in escorts only. Truthfully, I have more fun in cruisers. There is more to think about and more to do other than just focusing on pew pew pew. As to what cruiser is right for you, well, that is something you are going to have to decide because each cruiser has its own character. Personally i can't get enough of the fleet excelsior and am looking forward to purchasing the fleet assault cruiser in a few days when it unlocks.

With the right build you can find yourself not only viable in PVP and PVE, but its always a shock to escorts ... you can certainly give them a run for their money! Inevitably, I personally find flying cruisers more Trek like imo. That is just me though.
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# 7
04-12-2013, 05:22 PM
Cruisers are very fun. How you want to play them is going to influence your choice of ship the most, but I'll cover the most popular ones. (My main is also a Cruiser-loving Tac.)

For End Game Cruisers, there's the Excelsior Retrofit (Advanced Heavy Cruiser Retrofit) that's great for having the highest base turn rate out of any Fed cruiser. Next is the Assault Cruiser Refit, having slightly less turn rate but better subsystem power and comes with a Wide Angle Quantum Torpedo Launcher and Metreon Gas Canisters Universal Console.

After that I tend to see a mixture of the Odyssey's, Dreadnaughts, Galaxy-X's and Assault Cruisers with a smattering of Star Cruisers. (The Assault Cruiser is great to start off in once you can requisition it.)

So typically, the Cruisers with the highest base Turn rate seem to be the funnest to play. I love my Excelsior Retrofit and it works well.
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# 8
04-12-2013, 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by elric071 View Post
So after reaching level 50 with Selenia, I took a leap and got a Defiant Refit with my RA-UH (didn't even have VA's at the time...) ship token and loved it.
Your memory is a bit fuzzy. They did have Vice Admirals at the time you got your Retrofit Defiant.

The level cap at launch was Rear Admiral, level 45. But in July of 2010, Season 2 came out. With that season came a bunch of things. Levels 46-50, the rank of Rear Admiral Upper Half, Level 51, the Rank of Vice Admiral, and ... the Retrofit ships, including the Defiant that you got with your token.

Those ships were Vice Admiral ships and could only be flown at level 51 when they debuted.

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and decided I wanted to try to be a healer because she just couldn't keep up with the damage output of a Tac in an Escort. So I went and bought an Excelsior Refit.
As far as healers go, the Excelsior isn't exactly the best ship for that.
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# 9
04-13-2013, 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by snoggymack22 View Post
Your memory is a bit fuzzy. They did have Vice Admirals at the time you got your Retrofit Defiant.
Your right, my memory is very fuzzy...too much abuse in my 20's
I couldn't remember the exact timeline, sorry for the inconsistancies.

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As far as healers go, the Excelsior isn't exactly the best ship for that.
I agree. I use my Fleet Excelsior as an STF DPS beam boat, I can usually pull 5-6k with it, sometimes as much as 8k depending on the team I'm on. My main healing PvP rig is the Sci Vesta. In that ship I usually pull anywhere from 800k-1.5 mil healing in a typical 15 kill-5v5 match. I didn't include that in the first post because he was asking about cruisers....didn't seem relevant...hehe. I also use the Oddy for a healing rig (don't remember which version) but recently switched to the Vesta because I got sick of overshooting the fight due to the Oddy's increadibly high inertia and low turn rate . I can do just as much, if not more, healing in the Vesta and I can actually turn...LOL

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# 10
04-12-2013, 02:24 PM
I find using fleet excelsior, I keep an eject warp plasma on it which, when combined with an evasive, lets me do a little crowd control to save a PUG CSE or do amusing attack runs
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