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...and I'm ok with that.

Sure this BC is a Romulan Battlecloak, and provides a turn rate bonus and speed bonus while cloaked.

Even so, that's fine to me. I highly enjoy playing my Klingon toons, and seeing this on Romulan ships is alright.

There's gonna be lots and lots of Feddies who go Romulan knowing about their BCs, hop in a Romulan ship with one and...quickly discover it isn't the 'mega-ultra-super-OP 'I-win' button' they seem to think it is.



So, let the Romulan ships have cloaks and battlecloaks, that's fine. As we KDF players realized a long time ago: Cloaking is a useful and strategic thing to have, particularly a BC, but it isn't as good as many seem to think.

Besides, there's still a ton of anti-cloaking stuff out there. I might even get the Nebula ships so I can make a snooper.

Oh yes, I wonder how long it'll take before the whining begins for Federation cloaking ships to gain that speed and turn-rate bonus.

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# 2
04-19-2013, 11:04 AM
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Oh yes, I wonder how long it'll take before the whining begins for Federation cloaking ships to gain that speed and turn-rate bonus.
Your post was going so well, and then you needed to start attacking the Feds.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
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# 3
04-19-2013, 11:30 AM
Actually, I think it will be klingon players that will complain. It's not like someone flying a Galaxy-X would expect any improvement
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# 4
04-19-2013, 11:47 AM
Doubt any KDF will be put out by it all. We Klingons got oir first cloaks from the RSE so it makes sense they would have a more prevelant use of them.
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# 5
04-19-2013, 02:57 PM
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Doubt any KDF will be put out by it all. We Klingons got oir first cloaks from the RSE so it makes sense they would have a more prevelant use of them.
Exactly - Romulans supplied and taught the KDF how to use cloaking tech - some 50-100 years after they developed it.

It is just a logical thing to say that the Romulans have superior knowledge about cloaks and their use.

Edit: Mimey2 - you should correct your post to say that "all" Romulan Warbirds will have a battle cloak- it also appears from what was said that the inherent trait of romulans + the Romulan Boffs will allow a significant reduction in time between cloaking - decloaking and re-cloaking.

Of course I expect many new Federomulans to go boom in the first little while as they learn its not always best to battle cloak in combat, however, the big D will have 2x the hull of a Bop so it would be almost impossible to take her out while she's cloaking.

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Romulans are well-known as being the masters of cloaking technology. All Romulan Warbirds come equipped with a Romulan Battle Cloaking device, allowing them to enter and exit cloaking even while in combat. (Note that not all small craft come with these; see below.)

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# 6
04-19-2013, 03:08 PM
I'm completely cool with that. In fact, I kinda' expected that. The Romulans always had cloaks and I have no issues with them having battlecloaks as a gimmick to their faction.
Also, I don't mind the 'Fedroms' as someone said, as long as they are flying Romulan ships and I don't encounter Excelsior or a Galaxy that will cloak. That'd be awkward for me.

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# 7
04-22-2013, 04:36 AM
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Exactly - Romulans supplied and taught the KDF how to use cloaking tech - some 50-100 years after they developed it.

It is just a logical thing to say that the Romulans have superior knowledge about cloaks and their use.
That someone originated an idea does not automatically mean he's best at it.

For example:
The British invented the tank in WW1.
The French invented the modern tank (Renault FT-17) with single rotaing turret.
Yet in WW2 the Germans and Russians built some of the best tanks, not the French or British.

The Chinese originally invented the rocket, yet they were not the first on the moon.

Photovoltaics was invented by a Frenchman yet the French don't build the best solar cells.

A German built the world's first working programmable, fully automatic computing machine.
The Z3.
But Germans don't build the best computers in the world.


It's a matter of design.
From what we see in Star Trek the Romulans practically build their ships around their cloak while the Klingons build a ship and install a cloaking device.
That's what gives them the edge in that area: design, not who invented the thing.
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04-19-2013, 08:42 PM
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Your post was going so well, and then you needed to start attacking the Feds.
After thinking about it, I feel that you're right.

I really probably shouldn't have allowed my old feelings about playing on the KDF-side, so my emotions got the hold of me for that. It's just happened SO much over time I've simply gotten tired of it is all.

For my remarks though, I do apologize. I'll try and not be so quick to judge, as it were, about something that might not even happen.



Though I am eagerly looking forward playing Romulans, because their unique battle cloak will be VERY interesting to try and use. Being part of the closed beta atm, I've been using it already, though stats and such could change it on between now and official release.

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# 9
04-21-2013, 06:29 PM
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After thinking about it, I feel that you're right.

I really probably shouldn't have allowed my old feelings about playing on the KDF-side, so my emotions got the hold of me for that. It's just happened SO much over time I've simply gotten tired of it is all.

For my remarks though, I do apologize. I'll try and not be so quick to judge, as it were, about something that might not even happen.
I think what's really interesting about it all is that somehow a lot of the KDF players have anger issues towards the feds..... feds that are in no way responsible for Cryptic letting the KDF stagnate. Its almost like they're angry and mad at players for NOT wanting to play KDF more, even with better consoles, better doffing, and better cruisers.
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However, I think with regard to the Romulan Republic player characters/npcs, it all comes down to a finite point:

These are not the Romulans from the shows.
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# 10
04-22-2013, 12:00 AM
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I think what's really interesting about it all is that somehow a lot of the KDF players have anger issues towards the feds..... feds that are in no way responsible for Cryptic letting the KDF stagnate. Its almost like they're angry and mad at players for NOT wanting to play KDF more, even with better consoles, better doffing, and better cruisers.
You've touched on a point of irritation.

There are Federation players who would rather have KDF exclusives (the exclusives that keep the factions from being homogenous) added to the Federation, rather than PLAY as KDF. For the longest time, Federation players have complained about their cruisers not having dual cannons, and how they don't have built-in cloaks, and about the several useful consoles the KDF has exclusively.

The Federation has already obtained several KDF exclusives as it is. They got access to carriers. They have a cruiser that can cloak, it's just 'not good enough' for them. They have RETAINED their traditional advantages in STO, that being the edge in escorts and their science ship line, and I don't see them in any hurry to give these advantages to the KDF.

Far too many outspoken Fed players seem to be 'take take take', without a care given to retaining differences between factions, and keeping a semblance of balance PvP-wise. We don't like it when Cryptic listens to these greedy players, and then neglects the KDF as they've done in the past.
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