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Join Date: Jan 2013
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Now I don't know if this has been posted in other pages before, but something is majorly wrong with how 1st, 2nd, and 3rd place rewards on completion are being rewarded on the Crystalline event.

Now before last Thursdays patch I had 2 tactical toons placing 1st every time I did it, and my Sci and Eng toons placed 2nd or 3rd.

After Thursday's patch, both my tacts haven't placed 1st at all and my damn Engineer has.

And today I got 2nd on my tact and another Eng in my team got first. What the hell is the deal with the change?

There's no way, my engineer is better then my tactical toon and he shouldn't be first at all? So wtf did they change, that screws tactical over in CE?

Mind you, I have 2 lvl 50 Tacts that placed 1st 3 days in a row then a patch and they haven't placed first at all, and my engineer toon has twice now, when he didn't before.

I think that's a little messed up.

Explanation needed.
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# 2
04-20-2013, 01:20 AM
They redid the point scoring system. I personally don't know the details, but I'm sure the guys after me will have some meaningful numbers.
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# 3
04-20-2013, 02:14 AM
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They redid the point scoring system
nothing of that sort is suggested in the patchnotes.
I asume that other players out-dpsed your tac toon, and when you where with your engi you had people doing less dmg than you.
And now mind that DPS and DMG is not the only (though still the major) contributer to a scoring place.

in my opinion the performance of other people on your team is the most integral part of your scoring.
If you have somebody on your team doing simply more dmg, you'll be second...if you are top dog, you win.
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# 4
04-20-2013, 03:50 AM
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nothing of that sort is suggested in the patchnotes.
I asume that other players out-dpsed your tac toon, and when you where with your engi you had people doing less dmg than you.
And now mind that DPS and DMG is not the only (though still the major) contributer to a scoring place.

in my opinion the performance of other people on your team is the most integral part of your scoring.
If you have somebody on your team doing simply more dmg, you'll be second...if you are top dog, you win.
Well, you're wrong on most parts. Since the reintroduction of the Crystalline Entity the way places are calculated has been changed. It now also adds healing to it. Being a tank in a Healcruiser is the easiest way to get 1st place now.

As soon as there's someone like that in your game, you as a Tactical Escort won't have a chance to be first anymore. I tried it several times and even got 1st with a Kar'Fi and only blue MKXI stuff, while my Bug couldn't get 1st, when a good Recluse Pilot was in there with me.
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# 5
04-22-2013, 08:38 AM
I've seen the same thing, I run 8 toons though it daily and I've never gotten it on one of my tacs, only once did I get it on an escort (Peghqu' class) and that PUG had NOOOO dps since it took 30 minutes to complete! I've thrown Breen ships, Fleet Aramatages, Kumaris, Fleet Defiants, (Fleet Ambassador as well) at the CE and none of those seem to get 1st place! I've gotten 1st on my Jem'hadar Dreadnought (eng) and Vesta (sci). With the way I set up ships I'm always putting out heals for damage resistance so they must be factoring in that in to who gets 1st now.

Personally I think it is a good thing in general, just might need some tweaking.
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# 6
04-23-2013, 09:43 AM
Hm, interesting. I did notice this last week right around the patch, but I didn't make the connection. Could've been a stealth change that wasn't in the notes. Wouldn't be the first time. PvP scores both for damage and healing, so it makes sense to score FAs the same. Otherwise it's unfairly in favor of the tacs. It is hella hard to get first as a Tac now though. I've mostly been getting 2nd-3rd since the change. I even failed to place twice. I'll give the healers a bone on this one though, they deserve it.
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# 7
04-23-2013, 09:55 AM
I managed a 1st place using my Sci in my Vesta, alternating between healing, crowd control and attack (using the Vesta consoles wherever possible).

And I say BRAVO to this - FANTASTIC move on Cryptic's part - why on earth shouldn't sci and eng be rewarded? It's definitely a small step in the right direction*.

*namely away from the 'Escorts online' attitude of late
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# 8
04-23-2013, 10:05 AM
I've managed to get 1st on either ENG and TAC at least once per day among six toons. I have not done it with the ENG by virtue of healing though, as I'm not equipped to do so... just DPS. The only class that I've not been able to do better than 2nd with is SCI.

I suspect that people may simply have gotten better at it over the course of the event rather than some abstract change in how the even scores. Once you learn what earns you better scoring, it becomes a simple matter to improve. So, I'd conclude that the competition has simply gotten better, not that anything changed with the mechanics...of course I could be dead wrong too.

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# 9
04-23-2013, 11:36 AM
Fleet Defiant - Tactical Officer

14 Completions

11 First Place

3 Second Place

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It's possible that the times you didn't get first you were in the same event as me.
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# 10
04-23-2013, 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by reyan01 View Post
I managed a 1st place using my Sci in my Vesta, alternating between healing, crowd control and attack (using the Vesta consoles wherever possible).

And I say BRAVO to this - FANTASTIC move on Cryptic's part - why on earth shouldn't sci and eng be rewarded? It's definitely a small step in the right direction*.

*namely away from the 'Escorts online' attitude of late
Except for the stupid ways in which it is exploited. I've seen some pretty stupid ways of people hogging points. Like ramming shards on purpose just to get points from healing, while letting their team mates die so they can't out damage them.

Oh well I still usually top score in my Engi Defiant, just CSV everything and throwing my limited Sci heals at people.
And the shards are pretty easily avoided with the speed it has during the gaps.

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