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# 1 About Wrath of Khan
04-29-2013, 03:26 AM
For a certain reason, I decide to rewatch the Wrath of Khan, and I am not saying it's a bad movie. Yet, in light of JJ, what do you makes it special, and what make it different from JJTrek?
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# 2
04-29-2013, 04:24 AM
The acting, the story, the settings, the morality. The obvious references to other literature - Moby **** (blasted swear-filter!) being the most obvious example, with a copy of that very book actually appearing on Khan's shelf.

The issues that they explored, such as growing older, watching younger people step into the fray. It offers a moral dilemma without a simple solution, and action that didn't come at the expense of the story. And Khan may not have been terribly relatable in STII, but his anger and frustration that stems from the loss of his loved one certainly was. And Spock's death was very well portrayed.

It just felt..... epic.
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# 3
04-29-2013, 04:43 AM
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For a certain reason, I decide to rewatch the Wrath of Khan, and I am not saying it's a bad movie. Yet, in light of JJ, what do you makes it special, and what make it different from JJTrek?
First JJTrek is not star trek and never will be star trek

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The acting, the story, the settings, the morality. The obvious references to other literature - Moby **** (blasted swear-filter!) being the most obvious example, with a copy of that very book actually appearing on Khan's shelf.

The issues that they explored, such as growing older, watching younger people step into the fray. It offers a moral dilemma without a simple solution, and action that didn't come at the expense of the story. And Khan may not have been terribly relatable in STII, but his anger and frustration that stems from the loss of his loved one certainly was. And Spock's death was very well portrayed.

It just felt..... epic.
I agree with everything you just said
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# 4
04-29-2013, 05:06 AM
What makes it better erm. . . It was an original story for one, and they didn't think of making a copy of the best star trek film just because there lazy

MAGIC BLOOD wasn't in it either
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# 5
04-29-2013, 07:06 AM
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What makes it better erm. . . It was an original story for one, and they didn't think of making a copy of the best star trek film just because there lazy

MAGIC BLOOD wasn't in it either
It's not really a copy though - the dumbed-down story and style over substance notwithstanding, JJ is no Nicholas Meyer.
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# 6
04-29-2013, 10:32 AM
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What makes it better erm. . . It was an original story for one, and they didn't think of making a copy of the best star trek film just because there lazy

MAGIC BLOOD wasn't in it either
Right, thanks for the reminder of the deus ex machina - at least with wrath of khan, the solution to the problem involves longer time and sacrifice of another love one.

On a sidenote, that basically confirmed the cruse, does it not?
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# 7
04-29-2013, 10:43 AM
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First JJTrek is not star trek and never will be star trek
Well said.
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# 8
04-29-2013, 11:00 AM
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Well said.
I say poorly said, but Trek fans has been saying **** Series is not Trek since TOS went off the air.

Fun facts about TWOK, Roddenberry considered it to be not canon due to disagreements with the director. TWOK was a soft reboot of Trek (The director wanted to showcase younger actors-Saavik was the only one that made it and a new ship-eventually the Excelsior) and it ignored the events of TMP. The movie had Spock die at the beginning due to a script leak that said Spock died at the end, similar to what we have now.

About CGI and Special Effects, in its time, TWOK had a lot and included some of the first CGI to appear in film (Genesis sequence). Like George Lucas has said about Star Wars, if they had today's technology, they would've have used it.

TWOK was just a revenge film, plain and simple. I do agree however it was the actors that made the film what it was, all that comardarie between them was awesome. From Kirk's Arent You Dead to McCoy's What's holding up the damn elevator. The best part of the film for me was when Scotty brought his dying nephew to the bridge.
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# 9
04-29-2013, 11:23 AM
Having just rewatched it, it's the best trek movie, I'll agree on the actors, they made the film what it is. Khan is one of the greatest trek villains of the last 40 years easily. The combat scenes were full of tension and easily the best of any trek movie.

Excellent story and well written characters.



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# 10
04-29-2013, 01:31 PM
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I say poorly said, but Trek fans has been saying **** Series is not Trek since TOS went off the air.

Fun facts about TWOK, Roddenberry considered it to be not canon due to disagreements with the director. TWOK was a soft reboot of Trek (The director wanted to showcase younger actors-Saavik was the only one that made it and a new ship-eventually the Excelsior) and it ignored the events of TMP. The movie had Spock die at the beginning due to a script leak that said Spock died at the end, similar to what we have now.

About CGI and Special Effects, in its time, TWOK had a lot and included some of the first CGI to appear in film (Genesis sequence). Like George Lucas has said about Star Wars, if they had today's technology, they would've have used it. .
Also, don't forget the writer (Harve Bennet) was not Trek fan and had never seen an episode before being hired. He actually sat down and watched (or half-watched) all of the original episodes to find the best villain to bring back to the big screen.

But, hey, it worked.
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