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Lieutenant
Join Date: Feb 2013
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I am a Tactical Captain in a Tactical Odyssey (I know...it's about like the Night Elf Hunter from "that other game"). Here is a link to my current build
http://www.stoacademy.com/tools/skil...ld=tacodywip_0
Any comments or suggestions would really help me out. If possible, please explainany recommendations (I am still trying to figure out all the STO-math and such).
Also, I don't have access to any Fleet Gear (yet), but I do have access to some of the Omega Rep Gear. What I'd like to know is, based on what Tier I have access to right now, which is the better set (or mix).
Assimulated Deflector Dish Mk XI/Assimilated Impulse Engine Mk XI/Assimilated Regenerative Shield Mk XI
MACO Deflector Dish Mk X/MACO Impulse Engine Mk X/MACO Resilient Shield Mk X
Omega Deflector Dish Mk X/Omega Impulse Engine Mk X/Omega Regenerative Shield Mk X
Is there a big difference between the Mk X and Mk XII MACO/Omega gear?
Finally, my play is pretty much limited to PvE (STFs, Foundary, and Fleet runs).
Thanks in advance for any suggestion and/or comments.
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Join Date: Jun 2012
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# 2
05-14-2013, 03:40 PM
don't use tactical team 2...doesn't pay out.
also on that build i would simply go for 2x FAW 2 and 2x TT 1

instead of aux to batt get EPtW 2 or 3, and swap it with RSP 1 or 2 (i mean EPtS1, EPtW2, RSP2, AUX to SIF)

running 2 TT is essential if you are not doing a AUX2BATT build, or using DOFF to reduce the TT cooldown.
Beam overload will provide much less dmg than FAW with beam arrays...consider Beam overload only if your build incorporates DBB, otherwise FAW is far superior.

the Warp plasma thing is nice, but you should consider DEM with the coresponding DOFF.


anyway, for a all beamboat the oddy is far from optimal...consider a excelsior or a AC retrofit, or their fleet versions with a cookiecutter AUX2BATT build, those beasts are able to challenge escorts in terms of DPS.

shield emiter amplifier consoles are also only a choice with regenerative shields and very, very heavy use of shieldpowers.
Maybe consider the full borg set, works great for cruiser in PVE environment.
the turnrate consoles is also wasted space, if you have the 3 piece set put the chevron console in there and fly the ship without the saucer. Otherwise put the universal consoles in the engi section and get a mk x embassy console if possible or the zero point one from the rom reputation.

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Last edited by baudl; 05-14-2013 at 03:50 PM.
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# 3
05-14-2013, 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by baudl View Post
anyway, for a all beamboat the oddy is far from optimal...consider a excelsior or a AC retrofit, or their fleet versions with a cookiecutter AUX2BATT build, those beasts are able to challenge escorts in terms of DPS.
If the OP is being advised to switch ships, then I must step in for a moment and recommend the Jem'Hadar Attack Ship. It's the best of all worlds. And can run that Aux2Batt build if the OP so desires.

Aim high my friends. Aim high.
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Join Date: Jun 2012
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# 4
05-14-2013, 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by snoggymack22 View Post
If the OP is being advised to switch ships, then I must step in for a moment and recommend the Jem'Hadar Attack Ship. It's the best of all worlds. And can run that Aux2Batt build if the OP so desires.

Aim high my friends. Aim high.
well no, obviously he runs all beams...so the best all beam cruisers are AC and Excelsior, not the oddy.
while the bug ship can run aux2batt build in theory, it is not an effective build for this ship.
Not sure at what your post was aiming at, for sure not being constructive...
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Last edited by baudl; 05-14-2013 at 04:20 PM.
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# 5
05-14-2013, 04:28 PM
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well no, obviously he runs all beams...so the best all beam cruisers are AC and Excelsior, not the oddy.
Have to disagree. As much as I hate the Odyssey it's just as capable as the Fleet Assault Cruiser & Fleet Advanced Heavy Cruiser.

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while the bug ship can run aux2batt build in theory, it is not an effective build for this ship.
Not sure at what your post was aiming at, for sure not being constructive...
Pretty sure he was joking...


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# 6
05-14-2013, 04:34 PM
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Have to disagree. As much as I hate the Odyssey it's just as capable as the Fleet Assault Cruiser & Fleet Advanced Heavy Cruiser.
i personally prefer the tac oddy over the other 2, but i do not run all beam.
you can't actually make a aux2batt build on that ship...without sacrificing the ltcmdr tactical boff slot.
also 4tac console slots > 3, or 2 with sensor analasys

so what i meant was, that while aux 2 batt builds with all beams are the most dps you can get out of a fed cruiser (thats a fact), the AC and excelsior are the better choice for that particular setup, by far.
As a offensive cruiser, that is not running an aux 2 batt build, the tac oddy is excellent.

i really doubt, or atleast i haven't come across a tac oddy, that could dish out above 10k dps when parsed...
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Last edited by baudl; 05-14-2013 at 04:38 PM.
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# 7
05-14-2013, 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by baudl View Post
well no, obviously he runs all beams...so the best all beam cruisers are AC and Excelsior, not the oddy.
while the bug ship can run aux2batt build in theory, it is not an effective build for this ship.
Not sure at what your post was aiming at, for sure not being constructive...
The Oddy is not a good beam cruiser?!?!?! Why do you say this? Just curious...
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Last edited by sirokk; 05-14-2013 at 05:47 PM.
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# 8
05-14-2013, 05:50 PM
No, it's because as referenced, it lacks the tac boff slots and consoles that the fleet excel/assault have.

And Snoggy just has a weird love/hate with popular ship topics on the forum, I'm not clear if he actually gives real advice anymore.
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# 9
05-15-2013, 01:17 AM
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The Oddy is not a good beam cruiser?!?!?! Why do you say this? Just curious...
there is a great difference between "the best beam cruiser (build)" and a "good" beam cruiser...a rather large difference actually once you parse the combatlogs.
the oddy is an excellent cruiser be it beams or single cannons, but simply not the best if the goal is to max your dps with beams, which is clearly indicated by the OP's current setup.
I run a Tac oddy too for tanking elite stfs, cause the ship can still take quite a beating despite the offensive setup i use.
Oddy excels at it's versatility. Many, many possible setups that are more than viable in their respective role, but as i said before fleet versions of the ACretrofit and excelsior have been proven to be capabel of pushing more dps than the tac oddy with an all beam setup.

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Not to be overly critical but how constructive is it to tell someone asking for help with an Odyssey build that they should fly another ship? Be it the Excelsior you suggested or the JHAS I suggested?

Anyways, yes, it was a joke. The joke loses all its humor when explained, but I'll explain it anyways:

Hundreds of threads I see on these forums where someone asks for specific advice on how to gear a particular ship. And people always, without fail, suggest a totally different ship.

So me being the funny person I am (at least in my head) I always like to suggest that the person fly the best ship in STO. The JHAS.

In classic Internet failure, I'm going to present an analogy!

It's like the OP asked what toppings they should get on their pizza.

You suggested they get a Stromboli instead.

I suggested they not even eat at the pizzeria and instead go get some lobster thermadore.

Cause why not? It's better than the pizza and the stromboli.
i was merely suggesting that if the OP's goal was to max his dps with all beams, an aux to batt build would be preferable. That is not doable on the tac oddy without sacrificing the ltdcmdr tactical slot.
your post was not constructive, because you didn't add anything on the topic...atleast i did dedicate 2/3 of my post on a possible oddy build for him.

so to correct your analogy...i presented the list of toppings for his pizza, but ended the list with an alternative pizza-like dish (calzone), that is known to be enjoyed by many customers.
PS: i'm not sure what dish stromboli actually is, since it is a vulcano in the tyrrhenian sea.
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Last edited by baudl; 05-15-2013 at 01:42 AM.
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# 10
05-14-2013, 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by baudl View Post
Not sure at what your post was aiming at, for sure not being constructive...
Not to be overly critical but how constructive is it to tell someone asking for help with an Odyssey build that they should fly another ship? Be it the Excelsior you suggested or the JHAS I suggested?

Anyways, yes, it was a joke. The joke loses all its humor when explained, but I'll explain it anyways:

Hundreds of threads I see on these forums where someone asks for specific advice on how to gear a particular ship. And people always, without fail, suggest a totally different ship.

So me being the funny person I am (at least in my head) I always like to suggest that the person fly the best ship in STO. The JHAS.

In classic Internet failure, I'm going to present an analogy!

It's like the OP asked what toppings they should get on their pizza.

You suggested they get a Stromboli instead.

I suggested they not even eat at the pizzeria and instead go get some lobster thermadore.

Cause why not? It's better than the pizza and the stromboli.
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