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Lt. Commander
Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 140
I have been playing for nearly 3 weeks again, (I quit OVER a year ago) and noticed something and now it's starting to annoy me.

The biggest issue is, the stuff you "really really" want, the game almost forces you to buy off the Zen store.

Dilthium is the most valued commodity in the game and you are only allowed to refine 8K a day. You get ore which is useless until refined, hence the 24hr restriction to refine. DIL is used to buy nearly everything. If you want to get more then a days worth you would have to buy Zen with real money then convert the Zen to fake (DIL) money. (Hence the nearly FORCED having to buy Zen to get DIL.)

Some ships costs ZEN AND DIL. This makes no sense because now you are paying almost double to get something.

Lock boxes are dropped which need "master keys" which of course you have to buy on the Zen store, which costs real money. Or buy it off the exchange for about 1.7Mil EC a piece. This is obvious the biggest money maker in the game, and probably the biggest rip off due to the fact most of the time you get CRAP or you buy 10 keys at a time which cost 1200 ZEN which is ridiculous.

If you can deal with the insane prices for items and ships for the game, go ahead and play. If you can't afford to pay out the bucks don't bother to play. In all honesty. There is also no real advantage to subscribing. Why not even give people a discount off the store so now you are paying 15 dollars a month plus ZEN ? That is INSANE. Getting 500 ZEN a month is not worth it, as you would get that ANYWAY if you played the game for free.

When you join a FLEET you can get FLEET ships, but the only way to get THOSE is a FLEET MODULE. WHICH AGAIN OF COURSE you have to buy off then Zen store. (THAT IS A FORCED BUY. Don't tell me IT ISN'T).

They are 500 ZEN A PIECE. (That is INSANE). some ships need FIVE Modules. You can buy the equivalent refit ship on the ZEN STORE, to make it cost ONE fleet module but again it's half a dozen one way or the other, there is no difference. You end up paying the same thing.

So not only do you have to work your butt off in the game, you have to work your real job very hard and earn real money to play a game to earn fake stuff. It's become a very lucrative business this game and makes me more and more angry the more I find out how they nickel and dime you, and they set it up PERFECTLY.

This game is loaded with content now, but the way it's nickel and dimming you is insanity. It makes me angry I am having a lot of fun, but I become more angry as I find out what needs to be done just to earn things in the game.

Don't tell me it's the same thing if you paid 15.00 a month back in the day. You can spend well over $100.00 in this game in a DAY, then you did in a YEAR with other sub games. Still earn the same stuff.

How can NO ONE else be annoyed by this?

Last edited by nafeasonto1; 05-19-2013 at 06:42 PM.
Captain
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 924
# 2
05-19-2013, 07:03 PM
this game is actually the best F2P game there is..

nobody is forcing you to pay any real money to play.. everything can be obtained for free if you work for it.

think you are suffering from the need it now syndrome.
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Captain
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 5,293
# 3
05-19-2013, 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by aarons9 View Post
this game is actually the best F2P game there is..
LOTRO and DDO have really solid F2P models.
Captain
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 11,077
# 4
05-19-2013, 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by snoggymack22 View Post
LOTRO and DDO have really solid F2P models.
DDO? Solid F2P model?



BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!


I may however, be a bit biased. Seriously, screw that game.

Keep in mind OP, things exist for a reason, and most players never reach the 8K limit anyway. It's there to keep power gamers from screwing with the numbers and giving you an excuse to shell out money in exchange for progress. It's not a bad thing at all.
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Captain
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 4,406
# 5
05-19-2013, 07:18 PM
You dont need any of the pay stuff at all. I am running around in my free vice-admiral ships with rep gear and am doing very well with it. The pay ships are nice, and fleet gear is definitely better, but you dont need any of it to be competitive in most cases. There are a couple of times when I've paid money for stuff, things like bank slots that make the game easier to play, but I could have bought that stuff with my dilithium and I just chose to pay cash because I felt the game is worth giving a little money. There are a couple of times I've felt forced to buy stuff, mostly the respec tokens, which I feel are unecessarily gated), but the overall gameplay can be played without any of the fancy equipment at no significant penalty.
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Join Date: Apr 2013
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# 6
05-19-2013, 11:37 PM
i stopped complaining about the lock box a week after they came out during the f2p launch, my opinion was not going to change anything. so now i either ignore the boxes or i do something about and i choose the former all the time.
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Captain
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 954
# 7
05-20-2013, 01:20 AM
Well one thing our feedback over the boxes seems to have changed and that is the drop rate. Atleast they no longer drop from everything. Blow up a mine got a box, shoot a metrion cloud get a box, the Mirror event back then ended pretty much filled with boxes now not so many of them.


Now onto op:

You do not need c-store ships, I am still using the ships I got at RA level, and the Oddesey I got from the anniversary event. I have a MVAE and I regretted it wish I hadn't wasted the dilithium on it and we are talking when it was 200+ dil to the c-point. I am still debating on the Vesta line it looks interesting but it is not something that makes me go "want, want, want".

As others have said it is 8k per character per day. However it is the cap that keeps its' value at a generally level footing. I do think they need to relook at some of its' uses in game, with the possability of a few of the minor or old sinks being removed.

On the subscription. You are forgetting a couple of things:
- bank and inventory space increases for free as you level f2p pay for them from the beginning.
- more character slots to start with, again an f2p has to play zen for that.
- respec tokens as you level, f2ps pay for those.
Therefore the 500 zen isn't the only advantage.

It is all these people willing to pay for zen that has kept the game alive and it is nowhere near as bad as some free to play games out there where you can be nickle and dimmed to death for the pay to win items.
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Join Date: Feb 2013
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# 8 freedom
05-20-2013, 01:42 AM
I like the model now. It allowes me, who work, study and being married (all of which requires alot of time), to enjoy my star trek experience with friendly rp without having to grind my self to death. I am probably one of the persons that have spent the most on this game (about 2000 USD, about a month's salary for me). But that allowes me to do what I want. Which is to have fun. If this was p2p, I'd have to yield to that boring grinding, which I did in other mmorps previously.
But as the rest of the people have commented, there's hardly anything but titles you can't get without real money with a bit of effort.
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Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 229
# 9
05-20-2013, 02:07 AM
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Originally Posted by snoggymack22 View Post
LOTRO and DDO have really solid F2P models.
Kinda but some content can only be unlocked if you pay. All content in STO (sans Steamrunner) is 'free'.

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Originally Posted by tsurutafan01 View Post
The refining cap is a myth perpetuated by people roleplaying that they don't know having multiple characters is allowed, and any threads claiming the cap is problematic should be treated accordingly. People keep throwing around this goofy idea "put an item in the C-Store that raises the refining cap", guess what geniuses it's already there. And always has been.

Thanks to DOFFing I'm making 1000 zen+ a week at current exchange rates off of four whole characters. Never mind the people with like 20 of the things.
At the rate of 130 dil per Zen at the exchange, I earn 50 Zen per captain daily. Just from doffing (about 5-8 minutes of 'clicking'). During another 10 minutes wandering around while waiting for STFs to begin, I try getting 3-4 support colonization missions, worth around 1-2mil EC (33% chance of a critical success, then grind that purple into 3 rares, at worst 100k EC each).

Yeah, so you are definitely not alone. I know of someone who has a few million REFINED dil... it's shockingly easy to get EC, unrefined dil or Zen. The only 'hard to get' would be Lobi and you can just use Zen to buy those keys.

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Originally Posted by mirrorchaos View Post
i stopped complaining about the lock box a week after they came out during the f2p launch, my opinion was not going to change anything. so now i either ignore the boxes or i do something about and i choose the former all the time.
Yeah, the only thing that still irritates me about them is the space they take up Right-click + discard. I'm sorry, but I'm so cat-lazy that I even binded "/cs" to "/gotocharacterselect".

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STO and CO, are the only F2P games I know off where not only is everything 'free'*, but it's actually quite easy to grind up whatever you need in a short amount of time. No other game comes close. Sometimes, it makes me wonder how they even break even, let alone turn a profit on STO. On the other paw, I firmly believe the KDF faction has the superior ships, consoles and captains... perhaps I'm just looking at the silver lining of things.

*Steamrunner only available via Steam, AFAIK.
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Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 595
# 10
05-20-2013, 02:46 AM
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Originally Posted by bevrast View Post
I like the model now. It allowes me, who work, study and being married (all of which requires alot of time), to enjoy my star trek experience with friendly rp without having to grind my self to death. I am probably one of the persons that have spent the most on this game (about 2000 USD, about a month's salary for me). But that allowes me to do what I want. Which is to have fun. If this was p2p, I'd have to yield to that boring grinding, which I did in other mmorps previously.
But as the rest of the people have commented, there's hardly anything but titles you can't get without real money with a bit of effort.
amen brother im right behind you at about 1800 and climbing in the end you are correct it allows mw to have fun and I enjoy myself I have to ask a serious question though I see a lot of people on here that in there sigs they say thing like 'haven't spent a dime on evil cryptic " and I jus wonder .....why do so many people act like its a crime for these guys to charge money for stuff I just don't get it theses people aren't fanbois who made a game they are a BUSINESS and they are here to make money in exchange for something YOU like and if and it keeps the game going I mean really if people like us didn't buy what would be the reason for them to even make LOR out of the kindness of their hearts ? don't delude yourself but basically to come on here and gripe because you have no money to buy anything ...........your sense of entitlement is ......nm you are dismissed!!
look for me in game as "Admiral Quinn" yeah that admiral quinn..and while your at it get off muh station!!!
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