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# 1 Vanilla PvP Mode
06-07-2013, 04:22 AM
I have a suggestion, my Fleet has been playing around with tweaking Rear Admiral ships to maximize in PvP against each other and we've discovered a whole new realm of fun in taking old or "obsolete" ships now and kitting them out to do battle against each other.

I did strike me thinking that we could ask Cryptic to put this in the game as another "mode" to PvP. This mode would have some pretty cool rules to help balance out PvP and would not affect "normal" PvP or PvE in the slightest but would appeal to fans of the original game, pre-F2P.

These are the rules...

- No Lockbox ships, equipment or consoles
- No Fleet equipment, weapons or consoles or Ships
- Rear Admiral or C-Store Vice Admiral (Gen 1) Ships Only

(C-Store Gen 1 Ships are as follows
- Intrepid-R
- Galaxy-R
- Defiant-R
- Akira Carrier
- Atrox Carrier
- Vulcan D'Kyr
- Excelsior-R
- Nebula-R
- MVAM Prometheus
- Dreadnought Cruiser
(and Klingon and Romulan equivalents of those ships)

- No Reputation Abilites (Unfortunately, nothing can be done about the passives but they are not game breaking)


This mode would allow players to enjoy a taste of "old skool" STO PvP and would make ships like the Intrepid-R and Galaxy-R which are considered "obsolete" in the game at the moment relevant again. It would also make PvP more accessible to new players that don't have lockbox ships, weapons and fleet equipment.

I believe this would benefit PvP on the whole and make the game more accessible for others without damaging the "original" PvP mode. It would also allow players to kit out another ship and have fun with some of the older vessels of STO as well.

Anyone else have any other ideas?

On a side note, My Fleet has been trying to organise "Vanilla" Tournaments in STO to try and appeal to classic players who enjoyed the old PvP. So if you are interested, send me a PM or something.

Last edited by sterlingwarbird; 06-07-2013 at 04:34 AM.
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# 2
06-07-2013, 04:35 AM
I do wish we could disable passives for such an event. Some of them would be imbalancing, such as the Romulan placate, particularly against people who may not have completed their reps.
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# 3
06-07-2013, 04:36 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by smokeybacon90 View Post
I do wish we could disable passives for such an event. Some of them would be imbalancing, such as the Romulan placate, particularly against people who may not have completed their reps.
I agree but there is nothing we can do, only Cryptic would be able to disable them. At least these rules put people on equal ground. Or thats what we are trying to achieve.
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# 4
06-07-2013, 05:10 AM
Half of those ships are much newer then "Gen 1" .
If you're looking to "get back to basics" then remember that way back when only 1 carrier existed (KDF) and no retrofits . That would be "Gen 1" .
I am losing STO with each new system based update and with each removal and editing of content .
I don't know how to save her from her systems obsessed masters who seek to control and monetize me more and more .

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# 5
06-07-2013, 05:16 AM
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Originally Posted by aelfwin1 View Post
Half of those ships are much newer then "Gen 1" .
If you're looking to "get back to basics" then remember that way back when only 1 carrier existed (KDF) and no retrofits . That would be "Gen 1" .
I know but I am also thinking about people that bought the Galaxy, Defiant and Intrepid retrofits, like myself but cannot use them anymore because they are simply not competitive PvP ships. I did not want to get too restrictive on vessels because these ships were balanced nicely against Rear Admiral Vessels and Pre-F2P PvP used to be good fun with these ships included as well.
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# 6
06-07-2013, 06:01 AM
I'd like to see the ability to customize the conditions of your match in a private PvP lobby. Enable or disable specific powers, weapons, consoles, ships, etc. Set minimum/maximum player level for participants. If a player comes into the lobby with a "banned" power or console, that power will just not work. If they come in with a "banned" ship, they will have a visible flag (so the organizer can kick them if they need to), and the event won't start until they switch ships. If their level is out of range, they just won't be able to join the lobby, or it'll boot them when the filter is set.

A few custom public queues would be nice too. The one the OP posted isn't a bad idea. I'd also like to see:

Shuttles only
Tier 1 ships only (and maybe T2, 3 and 4 queues as well)
No reputation powers
No reputation/set equipment

These special queues would all be, ideally, cross-faction free for alls to avoid needing to have "FvF - Shuttles only", "FvK - Tier 1", etc for every variation.
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Join Date: Jan 2013
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# 7
06-07-2013, 11:06 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by sterlingwarbird View Post
I have a suggestion, my Fleet has been playing around with tweaking Rear Admiral ships to maximize in PvP against each other and we've discovered a whole new realm of fun in taking old or "obsolete" ships now and kitting them out to do battle against each other.

I did strike me thinking that we could ask Cryptic to put this in the game as another "mode" to PvP. This mode would have some pretty cool rules to help balance out PvP and would not affect "normal" PvP or PvE in the slightest but would appeal to fans of the original game, pre-F2P.

These are the rules...

- No Lockbox ships, equipment or consoles
- No Fleet equipment, weapons or consoles or Ships
- Rear Admiral or C-Store Vice Admiral (Gen 1) Ships Only

(C-Store Gen 1 Ships are as follows
- Intrepid-R
- Galaxy-R
- Defiant-R
- Akira Carrier
- Atrox Carrier
- Vulcan D'Kyr
- Excelsior-R
- Nebula-R
- MVAM Prometheus
- Dreadnought Cruiser
(and Klingon and Romulan equivalents of those ships)

- No Reputation Abilites (Unfortunately, nothing can be done about the passives but they are not game breaking)


This mode would allow players to enjoy a taste of "old skool" STO PvP and would make ships like the Intrepid-R and Galaxy-R which are considered "obsolete" in the game at the moment relevant again. It would also make PvP more accessible to new players that don't have lockbox ships, weapons and fleet equipment.

I believe this would benefit PvP on the whole and make the game more accessible for others without damaging the "original" PvP mode. It would also allow players to kit out another ship and have fun with some of the older vessels of STO as well.

Anyone else have any other ideas?

On a side note, My Fleet has been trying to organise "Vanilla" Tournaments in STO to try and appeal to classic players who enjoyed the old PvP. So if you are interested, send me a PM or something.
I can think of 1 Addition & 1 Rule right now that would improve PVP for a lot of people. You can keep your big long list lol.

....Add a Lone Wolf PVP Queue. As in a PVP option for the single player that does not allow Pre-made groups to join the same Queue....

That would likely bring some balance.

Cheers,
Zoo (D'Zoo)
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# 8
06-07-2013, 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by thezoo69 View Post
I can think of 1 Addition & 1 Rule right now that would improve PVP for a lot of people. You can keep your big long list lol.

....Add a Lone Wolf PVP Queue. As in a PVP option for the single player that does not allow Pre-made groups to join the same Queue....

That would likely bring some balance.

Cheers,
Zoo (D'Zoo)
That... would be a godsend. Ive wanted that in so many games in the past. A blind, totally random, no grouping allowed queue...

Everything is OP, plz nerf
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# 9
06-07-2013, 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by rylanadionysis View Post
That... would be a godsend. Ive wanted that in so many games in the past. A blind, totally random, no grouping allowed queue...
Thumbs up there!
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# 10
06-07-2013, 12:01 PM
While I'm not a PvPer, I do try to follow PvP threads here in the General discussion because of how they might effect my PvE game. Don't bother trying to argue that PvP doesn't effect PvE or that even if it did it really wouldn't matter because PvE = EZmode.

On observation, based both on the postings here and in general regarding PvP, I see quite a lot of ideas put forth where the individual poster wants other PvPers to conform to this way or that way in which the PvPer posting views PvP to be most enjoyable.

Why not form some sort of Vanilla PvP league where you set down the rules regarding character and ship makeup. This would then provide PvPers the option of participating within the confines of the rules. The core founding group can decide on the details of the rules and then make them public. You could ask for donations to participate in the competition and those donations could go towards rewards.

It is easier to provide options for players so that they can decide and choose to participate than it is to try to force them all into one certain set of rules.
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