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# 1 [REQ] Fed Ship - Pegasus Class
06-26-2013, 07:15 AM
STO has a history of taking a ship that did something cool, making its registry the name of a new class and giving it a power that lets it do that thing as a console power (or something broadly similar).

To that end, I figured why not the Pegasus.


I'm thinking Tier 5 Oberth Retrofit. Science ship with new art assets that follow the Oberth theme, scaled up to tier 5.

The ship would come with a special "Universal Console - Phase Cloak" which would be usable on any ship and have statistics broadly similar to other federation cloaks- perhaps a decreased stealth value in exchange for disabling collision while cloaked. This would *not* be a battle cloak.


The Pegasus was the TNG equivalent of the Rapier, a testbed for technologies that would go on to become federation standard- its weapon systems and impulse engines were both experimental and would later form the basis for the Galaxy Class's systems. With this in mind, the ship could be handled as a 'three pack' perhaps, with a tactical/science/engineering focused version that also comes with a different option. Unlike other three packs, these items would be useable on other ships (just as the phase cloak and weapon/engines were later used on the Galaxy class USS Enterprise D.


This ship would also be available to the Klingons, perhaps as a "Kruge Class", named after the captain who destroyed the USS Grissom, another Oberth class vessel.
Might look something like this:

Pegasus Class Science Ship.

3 Weapons fore
3 Weapons aft

Boff seating would be as follows:

CMDR Sci
LTC Sci
LT (whatever the ship's focus is- sci/tac/eng)
LT (universal)
ENS Eng.

So you could get a 'cmdr sci, ltc sci, lt sci, lt uni, ens eng' for the sci version, for instance.

(Tactical version console)
Universal Console - Experimental Linked Beam Array
Useable on any ship.
Activation - increases firing radius of all equipped beam array weapons to 360 for duration (probably 15-30 seconds), enables overload firing mode (sort of like singularity overload).

(Science version console)
Universal Console - Experimental Phasing Cloak
Usable on any ship.
Statistics: Like a normal cloak, maybe lower stealth value, but disables collision while active or provides a giant defense boost or makes your ship non-targetable a la the Karfi.

(Engineering version console)
Universal Console - Experimental Engine Manifolds)
Usable ona ny ship.
Statistics: some +speed, +turn rate bonus, and an activatable power;
Activation - Engine Manifold Overload 'Overloading your experimental engine manifolds causes a massive explosion, and knocks your impulse engines offline for a time'.

Works just like the singularity jump console power, except instead of spawning a singularity that pulls enemies in and damages them, it spawns a warp core breach style explosion and flings you off, granting temporary stealth- but also disables your engines temporarily. Totally in theme for what happened to the Pegasus.
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# 2
06-26-2013, 08:20 AM
The Federation do not develop cloaking devices, the Tactical Escort Retrofit is basically the Defiant from DS9 it's a one off ship, but hey only 1 in the game would be boring and unfair.

The Gal X was a one of a kind vessel. It was Admiral Rikers Command ship, the Enterprise D massively upgraded. See above reasoning.

In the game the Federation has announced it's long standing belief in not developing cloaks.

If you want a Cloaked ship roll a Romulan or a Klingon. You can have any colour palette you want for UI so done.

Romulans/Lock Boxes will be getting the new ships for quite some time now.

But in all fairness you do have a good idea, instead of a T5 Oberth, make a ship that reminds you of it. The question is would it be equal or better than the Vesta? I'm thinking not so much.
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# 3
06-26-2013, 08:28 AM
According to "The Path to 2409" the last Starfleet Officers who toyed with cloaking devices (after Hobus) were courtmartialed for it and the president signed an executive order banning cloaks.
So forget the cloak.

While I find the idea of a T5 Oberth hilarious (the ship was the ultimate redshirt after all) I'd be very interested in a science ship of a different kind:

One of the design concepts for the Pegasus before they decided to use the Oberth due to budgetary concerns looked like a Nebula built out of Ambassador parts.

http://images.wikia.com/memoryalpha/...usspegasus.jpg

Since we have both the Ambassador and the Nebula, why not this ship as well.
Throw in a dorsal module and voila a new science ship.
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# 4
06-26-2013, 09:23 AM
The Nova class was to replace all the aging Oberth class vessels and we already have a fleet Nova. Great ship. Almost as tanky as the Wells.
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# 5
06-26-2013, 02:11 PM
While I can kind of get on board with the idea of a ship somewhat like this, surely they couldn't call it the Pegasus class. That would be akin to naming it the U.S.S. Watergate--surely they don't want to remind people of that.
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# 6
06-26-2013, 04:44 PM
I can possibly see a updated Tier 5 Oberth Retrofit as a high-speed scout sci vessel with the speed of B'rel and the HP of the Nova Retrofit with a Phased Cloaked console (Only used by Oberth types) that unlike the Defiant/Galaxy-X, it can cloaked at the same time while any hostile weapons fired at it will miss, but the phased cloak itself should have a limited duration and a 3-5 min cool down time.

The stats i can see for a possible Oberth Retrofit

Hull: 2400 to 2750
Shield Mod: 1.3 to 1.43
Weapon Slots: 3 fore, 3 aft
Crew: 80
BOff: 1 Sci Com, 1 Sci Lt. Com, 1 Tac Lt, 1 Eng Lt, 1 Uni Ensign
Consoles: 2 Tac, 3 Eng, 4 to 5 Sci
Turn Rate: 13 to 15
Inertia Rate: 70 or 80
Bonus Power: 15+ Aux

In my opinion since the Oberth class is a small Science vessel, i think it should be most likely used as a hit & run or as scout vessel that can detect cloaked vessels in the game.
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# 7
07-03-2013, 09:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by misterde3 View Post
According to "The Path to 2409" the last Starfleet Officers who toyed with cloaking devices (after Hobus) were courtmartialed for it and the president signed an executive order banning cloaks.
So forget the cloak.
According to the tooltip on the cloaking device itself, the Federation is actively developing cloaking tech at present.

The ban is lifted at present time in the game, and Federation cloaks are on the table.
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# 8
07-03-2013, 10:52 PM
Not according to "The Path to 2409" Volume 16 Part 1 & 2

The only reason the Defiant-R and Galaxy-X have the Cloaking device is because they did in the TV Shows. Both ships where one of a kind. But it would suck wanting to fly a Defiant but being told the Defiant is in use ATM as there can be only 1.

2 Factions have cloaking ships pick one and stop asking for Fed cloaking tech.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Path to 2409, Vol 16, Ch 1
Tragedy struck for Starfleet on Stardate 72487.91, when the U.S.S. Kelso was lost with all hands.

The Kelso was supposed to be on a routine mission to study the long-term effects of the Hobus supernova on star systems in the Devron Sector when it was destroyed. Initial reports indicated that the Kelso could have come under attack. However, when the remains of the vessel were recovered by the U.S.S. April, it was found that a coolant leak caused by an experimental cloaking device onboard the Kelso caused plasma to vent from the ship. The plasma reacted with ionizing radiation present in the area, causing the explosion which destroyed the Kelso.

After careful consideration, Captain Barax Wenn of the April revealed the cause of the Kelso's destruction to the captains of the Romulan ships assisting in the search for the vessel. In response, Praetor Taris lodged an immediate complaint with the Federation Council, and, as a "gesture of good faith," informed the Klingon Empire of the details of the Kelso's destruction as well.

Starfleet Security admitted that the U.S.S. Kelso was testing a Federation cloaking device. The Romulans then ejected all Federation diplomats and ships from their space in protest, and Chancellor J'mpok recalled the Klingon ambassador to the Federation back to Qo'noS for "strategic discussions."
Quote:
Originally Posted by Path to 2409, Vol 16, Ch 2
After the revelation that Starfleet was testing a cloaking device, tensions between the Federation, Romulans and Klingons were at their highest point since the destruction of the Romulan homeworld in 2387. After a full inquiry, six members of Starfleet Security were court-martialed.

It took three months for Federation President Aennik Okeg to convince the Romulans and the Klingons to send representatives to a summit to discuss the situation. When the meeting finally began, Okeg made the Federation's position clear. He apologized for the experiments into cloaking technology, and said that he had signed an executive order banning all research into or creation of Federation cloaking technology.

"The narrow legal view may be that the Treaty of Algeron ended when Romulus was destroyed," Okeg said. "The Romulan Star Empire we knew is gone, and you are a new people. What has not changed is the Federation's commitment to peace."
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# 9
07-04-2013, 07:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dknight0001 View Post
Not according to "The Path to 2409" Volume 16 Part 1 & 2

The only reason the Defiant-R and Galaxy-X have the Cloaking device is because they did in the TV Shows. Both ships where one of a kind. But it would suck wanting to fly a Defiant but being told the Defiant is in use ATM as there can be only 1.

2 Factions have cloaking ships pick one and stop asking for Fed cloaking tech.
sigh.

Quote:
The Treaty of Algeron, signed in 2311 by the Romulan Star Empire and the United Federation of Planets, prohibited Federation cloaking devices. This agreement has been a source of controversy in Starfleet, where some officers believed it severely limited tactical options and put the Federation at a disadvantage.

Although the Federation initially agreed to follow the treaty after the destruction of the Romulan homeworld, in early 2409 Starfleet was authorized to develop and implement cloaking technology on selected ships.
This is taken directly from the tooltip description of the Federation Cloaking Device. It clearly states that, as of 2409, the Federation is no longer abiding by the treaty. Say what you will, but this is canon in-game despite how you may feel about it.

As such, there's no reason to not expand the Federation's roster of cloaking capable ships.

Now, do I think the Federation really needs more cloaking ships? Not necessarily. Arguing it goes against lore or whatever is flat out wrong, though.
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# 10
07-05-2013, 10:25 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by misterde3 View Post
According to "The Path to 2409" the last Starfleet Officers who toyed with cloaking devices (after Hobus) were courtmartialed for it and the president signed an executive order banning cloaks.
So forget the cloak.

While I find the idea of a T5 Oberth hilarious (the ship was the ultimate redshirt after all) I'd be very interested in a science ship of a different kind:

One of the design concepts for the Pegasus before they decided to use the Oberth due to budgetary concerns looked like a Nebula built out of Ambassador parts.

http://images.wikia.com/memoryalpha/...usspegasus.jpg

Since we have both the Ambassador and the Nebula, why not this ship as well.
Throw in a dorsal module and voila a new science ship.
Interesting points.

My understanding is that the Federation was prevented from using cloaking tech due to a treaty with the Romulans. The Federation is now involved with the Romulan Civil War which possibly voids that treaty allowing the Federation to develop and use cloaking tech. The Federation is now, in fact, loaning ships to the Romulans so the question is if they outfit a Patrol Escort (as an example) with a cloaking device, is Starfleet obligated to remove it when the Romulans return the ship or does the fact the device was not removed seen as permission to use it?

I also wonder what is considered cloaking technology? Couldn't one consider Mask Energy Signature be viewed as a cloak of sorts?
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