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IF Roddenberry were alive this would be a different story. But as is the way in all things, once the Originator is dead, the Successors gut the carcass for all it is worth. Perhaps the Re-Boot will spur a younger generation to reclaim Trek and make it Proud once again. But here and now, the carcass was sold to the highest bidder and this is the result, an Imperfect Trek. Honestly, I believe that complaints fall on deaf ears. The current owners have no interest other than money, and as long as it is good enough to earn money then that is all they will provide to us, the consumers. Yes, we consume what they provide, and when we no longer consume then they will sell the bones to the highest bidder.

The ONLY way you will get Trek to be the way YOU want it to be is to raise 10 Billion dollars and BUY the franchise yourself, and then deal with everybody who complains that YOU are NOT doing TREK the way THEY think YOU should.

I understand that Old Trek is DEAD. I am grateful for having ANY Trek at all. I reticently Bought a Life Time Subscription - knowing full well that this imperfect Trek will NEVER match up to Roddenberry's Vision. Yes, I am a Consumer of the New Trek, just like you.

Although I DO get such enjoyment reading the complaints to the BranBot - an unreal entity created for public relations. I am sure that a real person types the messages, but do not believe for a single second that it is the SAME person who always uses the persona to convey information to the user base.

Spoiled Children, you should be happy with what you get and stop demanding 'Perfection'. We are WAY past that now...
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# 2
07-19-2013, 09:14 AM
old trek will never die as long as my tng and tos dvds work


LONG LIVE THE NEXT GENERATION!!!!!!!
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# 3
07-19-2013, 09:15 AM
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old trek will never die as long as my tng and tos dvds work


LONG LIVE THE NEXT GENERATION!!!!!!!
Screw TOS, TNG is where it's at. For the Next Generation!

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07-19-2013, 09:21 AM
All great works of art must go through transitions, especially if they remain relevant to future generations. For example, the movie adaptations of famous comic books must change to meet the challenges of the different medium of film even if that pisses off the canon-loving fans. Remakes of "classic" movies serve to refresh their place in our culture. As bad as some of them were, Star Wars I, II, and III brought that universe back into cultural prominence for a new generation. Roddenberry created the legacy, but to remain a vital and living part of culture Star Trek is going to change. To not change is to stagnate and become irrelevant.

My point is: Star Trek is changing and growing and we are part of it. I think that's awesome.

Disney, a monolithic media company, now owns Star Wars and will be making new creations with it. As STO players, I hope our decisions will have some influence on how Star Trek continues to develop in the future.

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# 5
07-19-2013, 09:27 AM
The heat in the other thread got too much to handle OP ?
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# 6
07-19-2013, 09:36 AM
Roddenberry whored ST as much or more as anybody else
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# 7
07-19-2013, 09:39 AM
At what point does it become public domain?

Seriously, the public has invested as much in this intellectual property over the last 50 years as any individual or corporate entity.

At some point, the original copyrights have to expire.
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# 8
07-19-2013, 11:08 AM
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All great works of art must go through transitions, especially if they remain relevant to future generations. For example, the movie adaptations of famous comic books must change to meet the challenges of the different medium of film even if that pisses off the canon-loving fans. Remakes of "classic" movies serve to refresh their place in our culture. As bad as some of them were, Star Wars I, II, and III brought that universe back into cultural prominence for a new generation. Roddenberry created the legacy, but to remain a vital and living part of culture Star Trek is going to change. To not change is to stagnate and become irrelevant.

My point is: Star Trek is changing and growing and we are part of it. I think that's awesome.

Disney, a monolithic media company, now owns Star Wars and will be making new creations with it. As STO players, I hope our decisions will have some influence on how Star Trek continues to develop in the future.
Very well said.

For example: I grew up with the TNMT. I loved that typical 80s cartoon/super hero stuff. But this would never work these days for "this" generation of kids.

Did any of you (maybe with your kids) watch the new interpretation made by Nickelodeon?

Yes, it's so different from the so called classic show. But the new series is very well made and refreshing and a lot of fun to watch! Different to what I grew up with but very good for these ages target audience.

In my opinion it's close to Star Trek. TOS was a child of "it's" TV Generation as well as TNG, DS9, Voyager and Enterprise were.

And the JJ Movies are as well.

Personally I think it's better to see/watch a "different" new Star Trek movie than no new Star Trek movie.

But that's just my opinion.

:-)

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# 9
07-22-2013, 10:21 AM
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All great works of art must go through transitions...
Remember that woman who painted over the icon of Jesus to 'fix' it?

JJ's mom.
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# 10
07-22-2013, 10:27 AM
Star Trek is 45 years old. It still has a strong core but there is a rot born of being run into the ground and a distinct lack of a central guiding creative vision to keep the material consistent rather than simply marketed "for the moment." Say what you want but TOS had something special for all of us and endures even today. It made the 45 year legacy possible. TNG did a good job of fulfilling the promise TOS brought forth and was well loved for its run.

As well loved as DS 9 is the show also displays where the wrong group got into power and went astray. It was built around the basic THEFT of another writer?s intellectual property, that man?s basic ideas, and they got away with molding it to their wants. They were out of original ideas and became hacks trying to hang on rather than move on... It got worse in Voyager where they started with a wonderful premise that fell apart as the hacks ran the original writer off the show, stole her ideas, and twisted things into a same old same junk they thought to keep going forever.

ENT was the ultimate result when they finally managed to get their own premise onto the screen (which is really what they wanted during Voyager's run), a basic attempt at a reboot using some of their favorite themes from the years. I think the cast was good but the writing team was too struck on themselves and frankly disrespectful of the core Trek audience. I doubt most will ever forgive their "Valentine to the Fans." They got booted finally and scolded. But at least it ran them from Trek making room for some one fresh to take the helm at some point in the future at the cost of classic Trek's screen viability.

That's kind of where the IP is now. Roddenberry's vision for it was a product of his times and we, the audience, have changed significantly in the 45 years since it started. Even in TNG the show only took off when he stepped back. With all the clashing voices and visions the IP is in a shambles when it comes to consistency and internal logic. It has fallen apart and we love it yet for nostalgia's sake if not for what it has become. That explains JJ's success in a nutshell.

TREK isn't dead. It's just a freaking mess. It's all (the entire IP at this point) OLD Trek. Yet, it is the one remaining multimedia franchise vehicle for television that has a chance to bring real science fiction back to the screen rather than another silly space fantasy. It needs a real REBOOT and RE-ENVISIONING by a creative force versed in science, fiction, and the small screen with knowledge of the books and comics as well to regain its viability and consistency as an IP.

Maybe one day...
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