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First of all: This is not a whiny "I want a Battlecloak on my Defiant/Gal-X" - Thread.
It's about Romulans and the advantages of their Battle Cloaks in PvP.
I decided to return to PvP after LoR launched after a long "PvP Break", and i recognised that the team with more romulans is usually the winning team (yeah i even saw a Fed-Rom Fleet T'vario team beat up Klingons)

It seems like the Battle Cloak is a significant Advantage in PvP (although i never PvPed with a Battle Cloaking ship myself), that was earlier only available to BoPs and they had to sacrifice lots of Hull, Shield strength and a Weapon slot for it, compared to ships with a standard cloak/no cloak.

Now with the Romulans you have ships that have Battle Cloaks AND full hull/shield strength and a 4/3 (Yes even 5/3) Weapons layout, and they have to give up NOTHING for it (i dont see the Sing cores as a disadvantage in this case, since you get the Sing abilities in exchange for some energy) i see Feds and even Klingons fall behind in competitive combat.

I've got a great example for this, let's just compare the Fleet Ha'feh Assault Warbird (http://sto.gamepedia.com/Fleet_Ha%27feh_Assault_Warbird) to the Fleet Tactical Escort Retrofit (http://sto.gamepedia.com/Fleet_Tactical_Escort_Retrofit)
The Fleet Ha'Feh has 1.1k more Hull, 0.99 Shields (compared to 0.9) , an (Integrated!) Battle Cloak, More Crew and a more useful BOFF layout at the expense of ... 1 Turn and 30 Inertia, Srsly!?

2nd Example: Fleet T'varo Light Warbird Retrofit (http://sto.gamepedia.com/Fleet_T%27v...rbird_Retrofit) against the B'rel Fleet Bird-of-Prey Retrofit (http://sto.gamepedia.com/B%27rel_Fle...-Prey_Retrofit)

Okay, let's go...
The T'vario has ...
... 5k(!) More hull, 0.11 more Shields, okay, it has less turn rate i admit, one more boff (yeah the b'rel is universal, but anyways...) and the better console layout...

my 3rd Example was the Scimitar (because the Shields-while-cloaked console is another HUGE advantage) vs the Gal-X (the Fed ship that comes closest to the Scim), but i recognise that's ridiculous, so i leave it out.

EDIT: I want to add one more thing i forgot (the most annoying one and probably the most unfair advantage): They can cloak whenever they want, even if i get someone down to let's say 10% hp, he battle cloaks, heals again and never died (with luck i could get him with a HY torp, but its likely that it's not available in that moment or that it's a scimitar with shield-cloak)

In my opinion this is a MASSIVE balancing issue, that most players don't even recognise because they don't PvP.

Please Comment and Discuss, any comments are welcome, also those against my opinion, but please no Rage/Spam comments

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# 2
08-29-2013, 07:12 AM
Sorry to be so blunt: WAD.

Rommies have massive advantages outside of battle cloak.

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# 3
08-29-2013, 07:17 AM
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Originally Posted by havam View Post
Sorry to be so blunt: WAD.

Rommies have massive advantages outside of battle cloak.

OP by design.
I don't even want to start discussing all unbalance given to Roms (starting from Traits to free Crit/Cloak - Boffs) that would take too long, i would just like to hear if other (FED) PvP players also share my opinion /don't share it (and why they don't)

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# 4
08-29-2013, 07:26 AM
As you yourself stated in the OP... don't care.

Do I see it, though? *nods in response to his own question*
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# 5
08-29-2013, 07:43 AM
the thing that pisses me off is i can't blind fire at them

The number of times i KNOW where they are still and am not allowed to fire, i just wish i was allowed to hit Fire at will and have a full ventral phaser spread , and i should be aloud to fire a single torpedo at whatever i hit in the spread


in my opinion it would somewhat reduce the ability to hide in cloak near to your target and pounce on them , giving some limited balance back in favor of the non cloaking player


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# 6
08-29-2013, 07:47 AM
Is there a chance, that you can interrupt cloaking if you hit the ship while activating the cloak?
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# 7
08-29-2013, 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by adverbero View Post
the thing that pisses me off is i can't blind fire at them

The number of times i KNOW where they are still and am not allowed to fire, i just wish i was allowed to hit Fire at will and have a full ventral phaser spread , and i should be aloud to fire a single torpedo at whatever i hit in the spread


in my opinion it would somewhat reduce the ability to hide in cloak near to your target and pounce on them , giving some limited balance back in favor of the non cloaking player
Haven't tried the PvP here yet, but sadly this is a Cryptic mainstay. They target on a die roll and you have to have a target to roll. It is horrible in two ways; you can't blind shoot and you can't cloak/dodge anything already fired/rolled.
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# 8
09-01-2013, 12:16 AM
Well Timmy you better just learn how to hunt and kill clocked ships.
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# 9
09-01-2013, 05:09 AM
I've been away from the game for a while and haven't really done that much PvP in my Romulan toon. You often saw in DS9 that when the Defiant was badly damaged their cloak would go offline. Perhaps when your hull health drops bellow 20% you can't cloak, say it's because powers needed for the structural integrity field or something.
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# 10
09-01-2013, 05:39 AM
I talking about theese things for 2 months, its totaly unfair that amount of advantage of Romulans. Its most cowardish fight ever in any game. In month or two, on pvp all wil be romulans, pvp will look like cloaked romulans search eich other on map. I can understand that some newbie pvp-er wants to play like that, kill from cloak in 2-3 seconds, with bo, dem and doffs, because lack of skill, but i cant understand that some of the best tacticians, like MT from Pandas, allow himself to be such a coward, and play that way; he is 90 percent of the match cloaked, he pick target, approach from behind, and watch what is on cooldown, then bo from cloak, destroy target in 2 seconds, if someone get him in trac beam, or start shooting, he drop singularity, evasive, escape and cloak again. And there is notway to get him, because he is always on more then 10 km from battle, watching for chances, so you cannot uncloak him except if you are lucky. Its most cowardish way of playing ever, on any game. I saw many people stoping playing pvp because of that exploit, if i may say that, they simply dont want to build romulan character, and play like coward.
Let put an example that i haved yesterday; i queued myself against klingons for all afternoon, i played maybe 10 matches, in that 10 matches all together, i saw maybe 3 klingon ship and character, all others was romulans, cloaks, singularity, battle cloaks, etc. It was discusting to see that, and if they do not nerf the overpower on Romulans, many of us will stop play pvp and go to some other games. It simply isnt fair.
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