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# 111
05-17-2013, 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by aveimperator View Post
This is what I'm talking about. Nobody's asking for 20. 9-10 is still well below Escorts, so even so, what would the problem be? And again, I'd even be happy with 7, which you continue to ignore in favor of mocking ANY kind of increase.
The problem with the seven though, honestly, is the battlecloak. With the battle cloak, you can go from a 5 to almost a triple your turn rate, without any other consoles needed. Raising it up to an Ambassador or Galaxy class turn rate, would then let it turn just like any other cruiser before battle cloak, but unlike the Ambassador or Galaxy, turn super fast in bursts, without having to slot certain skills.
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# 112
05-17-2013, 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by ladymyajha View Post
Actually you may need to reread the entire thread. People have time and time again came in and given you reason as to why the D'Deridex is fine, and time and time again, the same few vocal people go "You're Wrong" and then fall back on the same exact position. Actually I think I lost your position other then I want it.

So let me simplify. You don't like how the D'Deridex turns, because you feel something that large should turn faster, at least as fast as say, an Excelsior class ship currently does. Well here's a suggestion for you then, which will fix your problem, and many others problems. Go fly an Excelsior.

Oh course you're going to come back with "No I don't want to." Okay, so then go fly a Mogai... or one of the new "Ha'ships". They have what you want and what you're asking for. Since you're biggest concern is mechanics and PvP, well there's your answer.

Probably you'll come back and say "how about no.." but you know... unles we gave you a 25 turn D'Deridex, that turned to infinate with battlecloak on, you'd probably wouldn't be happy anyway.
I do have an excelsior. I enjoy the excelsior. It is nothing but a beam boat so it is horribly ineffective, but I still have fun with it. The new RCS and SIT changes make it a bit more viable to be a DBB boat, so I am happy.

I was really looking forward to LoR. Good story, new content, new gear to get. Now, unfortunately I am not looking forward to it. And no, the Ha'ships don't have what I am looking for as I am not interested in flying a cruiser than can "change" into an escort with an escort boff layout.

So, Iwill either stick to my Excelsior, or switch to KDF until ESO comes out, as there is really nothing for me in LoR
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# 113
05-17-2013, 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by aveimperator View Post
This is what I'm talking about. Nobody's asking for 20. 9-10 is still well below Escorts, so even so, what would the problem be? And again, I'd even be happy with 7, which you continue to ignore in favor of mocking ANY kind of increase.
This is what I'm talking about. Nobody is aiming high enough! 20 is still below Birds of Prey, so even so, what would the problem with 20 be? And again, I'd even be happy with 17, which people are also ignoring in favor of trying to think that 10 is acceptable after the ship got a major tweak and overhaul and turned into a very playable and effective ship.

Snark aside, the bottom line for me is, the ship got buffed. It is playable. It is effective. Asking for the turn rate to be doubled is really asking far too much.
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# 114
05-17-2013, 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by snoggymack22 View Post
Not really. The person's calling me a douchebag troll? Because I find his hyperbole about the turn rate of the ship that just got a major retweak and big time buff in playability to be completely unwarranted and over the top? Who's really being the troll there?

Why stop at 10? Wouldn't a base turn rate of 20 be better?
Sure it would be better, but that is not what I am asking for.

Maybe I did say 10? Probably. It was a good even number, but it was more of a reflection of the KDF cruisers, honestly.

7 or 8 would put it right in the right spot withe the new RCS and SIT changes.
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# 115
05-17-2013, 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by ladymyajha View Post
The problem with the seven though, honestly, is the battlecloak. With the battle cloak, you can go from a 5 to almost a triple your turn rate, without any other consoles needed. Raising it up to an Ambassador or Galaxy class turn rate, would then let it turn just like any other cruiser before battle cloak, but unlike the Ambassador or Galaxy, turn super fast in bursts, without having to slot certain skills.
7 would actually be higher then the galaxy's 6.

in the show the D'D was not more maneuverable then the much smaller galaxy
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# 116
05-17-2013, 05:26 PM
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Sure it would be better, but that is not what I am asking for.

Maybe I did say 10? Probably. It was a good even number, but it was more of a reflection of the KDF cruisers, honestly.

7 or 8 would put it right in the right spot withe the new RCS and SIT changes.
And what I said before, is that giving it an equal turn rate of any cruiser, then giving it the turn buff of a battle cloak, not a normal cloak, would give it an unfair advantage over all other cruisers, which don't have battle cloaks.
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# 117
05-17-2013, 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by snoggymack22 View Post
This is what I'm talking about. Nobody is aiming high enough! 20 is still below Birds of Prey, so even so, what would the problem with 20 be? And again, I'd even be happy with 17, which people are also ignoring in favor of trying to think that 10 is acceptable after the ship got a major tweak and overhaul and turned into a very playable and effective ship.

Snark aside, the bottom line for me is, the ship got buffed. It is playable. It is effective. Asking for the turn rate to be doubled is really asking far too much.
I'm sorry, were you still trying to claim that you aren't being a troll?

Its not asking for too much for a + 2 or 3 to the turn rate. Remove the + 2 from the zen console and add it to the base and replace the zen console ability with something else. That way RCS consoles give it a higher boost of *7 instead of *5.5.
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# 118
05-17-2013, 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by ladymyajha View Post
And what I said before, is that giving it an equal turn rate of any cruiser, then giving it the turn buff of a battle cloak, not a normal cloak, would give it an unfair advantage over all other cruisers, which don't have battle cloaks.
As opposed to what they did with the romulan escorts? BC, more boffs, hull, and shield mod than any BoP at the cost of what? Some marginal power loss? PLUS singularity powers PLUS EBC at T1 shipyard.

Compare the romulan escorts to fed? They made fed escorts completely obsolete, which is where your argument falls apart, sorry.
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# 119
05-17-2013, 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by cha0s1428 View Post
I'm sorry, were you still trying to claim that you aren't being a troll?

Its not asking for too much for a + 2 or 3 to the turn rate. Remove the + 2 from the zen console and add it to the base and replace the zen console ability with something else. That way RCS consoles give it a higher boost of *7 instead of *5.5.
They probably won't do that, but if it were to happen the D'D would get balanced in some other way with lower stats elsewhere, so not worth it.

How about learn to pvp with big ships instead first before saying the D'D is unplayable. Or just stick to PVE with the D'D if you can't be bothered to do that. Now if you can't manage PVE with this ship just because of turn then you need to stick to escorts.
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# 120
05-17-2013, 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by marc8219 View Post
How about learn to pvp with big ships instead first before saying the D'D is unplayable. Or just stick to PVE with the D'D if you can't be bothered to do that. Now if you can't manage PVE with this ship just because of turn then you need to stick to escorts.
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