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# 11
05-18-2013, 11:33 PM
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Originally Posted by stoleviathan99 View Post
2. Never trust an admiral. An old Trek trope, reinforced here. Admirals are not your friends and not the heroes.
Now if only I could stop being one in STO... for example, by simply selecting another rank from a drop-down list.

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The STO similarities were so pronounced that I'd practically expect a Featured Episode series in STO where it turns out Quinn, Yanishev, and T'nae are ALL Section 31, along with others.
Now that would be cool.
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# 12
05-18-2013, 11:34 PM
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Now if only I could stop being one in STO... for example, by simply selecting another rank from a drop-down list.
you can called use say Title of rank you want to show...... rank bar you can pick not show that to
the age of launcher... is over...!! the time of the ARC has come!!!!!!!!!
One ARC to rule them all, One ARC to find them,
One ARC to bring them all and in the darkness bind them!
actual joining date = no one cares!!!!
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# 13
05-19-2013, 01:20 AM
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and the fact that the actresses for were probably sisters, as they had the same last name .....

...

Loved the Section 31 references

...

I found the part with Bones talking about the emergency c-section for the Gorn pretty funny

actresses were actually TWINS.

imho the Section 31 reference (there was just one) was way too short, most movie goers will have no idea what that means or how that impacts the story.

Gorn C-Section -> that was a direct nod to the Gorn Videogame, too bad that while it happened inside the games timeframe, you don't get to actually see it, but Bones only tells us about it in a Voice Over.


@Topic:

i completely agree with everything but the first sentence. that ST09 connection you are pulling out of your rear end, nobody ever said that STO had anything to do with STXI. (well nothing beyond Hobus Nova and Romulus being destroyed... from which we are now receiving the fallout)

Stun setting should totally be a thing in STO, disabling Ships should totally be a thing for STO.
To make matters worse, that Gorn Videogame has a Stun setting... stupid enough, you have to run up to the enemy and knock him out.


All this nonsense about "Fun > Canon" or "Gameplay > Canon" ... nope not acceptable.
"Canon = Fun" and if your Gameplay doesn't work well with Canon then that is just simply bad gamedesign or you recycled the wrong game engine for your trek game, a Trek game should be designed from the ground up to work with what people expect from it and not work against it.

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# 14
05-19-2013, 01:22 AM
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actresses were actually TWINS.

imho the Section 31 reference (there was just one) was way too short, most movie goers will have no idea what that means or how that impacts the story.

Gorn C-Section -> that was a direct nod to the Gorn Videogame, too bad that while it happened inside the games timeframe, you don't get to actually see it, but Bones only tells us about it in a Voice Over.
yeah i figured as much

yeah realized i put an S in there and never went back to correct it haha

thats true lol

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I find this line of replies sadly hilarious. We put a lot of work into the massive list of fixes/changes above, and ya'll are hung up on the ability to skip our content. =p
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# 15
05-19-2013, 01:50 AM
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I think if you're reading Section 31 as "unsung heroes" then you really didn't pay attention to their portrayal in DS9 or Enterprise.


EDIT: I love the nerd-rage some of you show toward the newer Trek movies. And even better that you're completely ignoring what the OP wrote in order to get a snide remark in, aimed at? Nobody in particular?
It's funny to me because I'm pointing out a list of things the JJverse did this time that reinforced classic Trek points and there are people attacking the idea of a Federation that avoids lethal force or pursues a scientific mandate because the JJverse did it. That is, if they read the post and didn't just come out swinging at the mention of JJ Abrams.

I'd think if somebody DIDN'T like Into Darkness, they might be more upset that STO has less in common with the Prime Universe than Into Darkness does in some ways.

This isn't a total dumping on STO (or Abrams) thread for me. Both did a lot right and a few things wrong. But I think as much as STO could initially stand behind the 2009 reboot as "this is how new audiences see Star Trek and how we have to do it" at one point, Into Darkness reverses a lot of that.

It's still joke-y and action-y but the funny thing for me is that as much as it is that, the Into Darkness Kirk would be considerably more serious about a lot of things that the game has never taken seriously under the pretense of being an action game... And still wind up in a more exciting action sequence while standing against senseless violence/killing.

I feel like Into Darkness could be a very good template for STO in terms of looking at how to do action without making your heroes overly militaristic or butchers, which we sometimes feel a bit like.
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# 16
05-19-2013, 02:26 AM
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you can called use say Title of rank you want to show...... rank bar you can pick not show that to
I am not sure what you are trying to say... but the game currently gives me no option not to be called vice admiral by NPC's.
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# 17
05-19-2013, 03:09 AM
I like STO and STID. I'm not sure which side to pick.


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# 18
05-19-2013, 03:22 AM
Hmm. There are elements of both STID and STO that I prefer over the other.

I like the STID formal grey uniforms with caps.

I like the STID Klingons. I realize the premise behind "The Trouble with Tribbles" would have been more difficult to believe with this version of Klingons, though.

I like the STID Klingon D4 vs. the D4 that looks just like a D7 in other Star Trek works.

I prefer the TOS (and thus STO) Enterprise bridge.

Now...if someone would be kind enough to make a client mod that makes the ugly STO Caitians look like the STID Caitians, I'd be forever grateful.
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# 19
05-19-2013, 05:31 PM
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Hmm. There are elements of both STID and STO that I prefer over the other.

I like the STID formal grey uniforms with caps.

I like the STID Klingons. I realize the premise behind "The Trouble with Tribbles" would have been more difficult to believe with this version of Klingons, though.

I like the STID Klingon D4 vs. the D4 that looks just like a D7 in other Star Trek works.

I prefer the TOS (and thus STO) Enterprise bridge.

Now...if someone would be kind enough to make a client mod that makes the ugly STO Caitians look like the STID Caitians, I'd be forever grateful.
For me:

STID formal uniforms ALL look like TMP uniforms with a more military cut. They have the same color schemes, although we didn't see any tan ones. Officers in grey. Medical in white. Admiralty/ship commanders in grey with a white chest stripe. Rank on the shoulders. It's one thing I like about the JJ verse that they seem to have adopted, more or less, TOS uniforms for duty assignments and TMP uniforms for military dress. I wouldn't be surprised if they have a variant of WoK for diplomatic dress if they want to present a less hard edged vibe for formal occasions. (Ie. I could see them using a version of WoK for state dinners, balls, and galas.) It's a nice mix of Kirk era uniforms with a purpose behind each.

I'm guessing soft canon sources will establish that JJverse Klingons used a more crude method of reversing the augment virus, which resulted in the "super-Klingon" look. Maybe something they took when they had the Narada in custody. It doesn't necessarily affect Trouble with Tribbles because Arne Darvin was surgically altered to look human. (And the soft canon sources show him as having forehead and spine ridges before the surgery. So he probably never looked like the TOS Klingons.)

The Enterprise ship was never actually called a D4; that was a fan/soft-canon supposition. My preference is towards the STID ships being the D4 and maybe the Enterprise ships being a D5 or early D7 prototype.

Who wouldn't prefer the classic bridge? That said, the JJ bridge with the lights knocked out looks more like the TOS bridge than I would have thought. If they'd just knock the lights down, darken the bridge, and paint the railing red, I'd really like the JJverse bridge. Overall, I felt the ship interiors were beginning to look more like glorified TOS interiors (a lot more open spaces and bridges/archways) and hope the director of the next film continues that evolution a bit. Heck, the brewery main engineering would look better to me with a bit more of a black and gunmetal color scheme and some red grating.

I suspect and hope the next film will place more of the character moments on the ship. The five year mission should finally start to setup the idea that the ship is home.

One thing that did sell Kirk's rapid promotion for me from the last film is that this time, they establish a few things:

- The Enterprise is not the flagship or seen as special as it was in TOS at the beginning of Into Darkness. It's just a ship and appears to be more or less a cadet ship assigned to non-vital tasks and not intended for deep space use until the retrofit.
- The Enterprise appears to have been patrolling known space, close to home, under Pike's watch.
- Kirk was resented for being handed command.

None of these points were pushed heavily but I felt like they were all well presented in the film. It does reconcile some of the absurdity of the 2009 film's ending if you imagine the Enterprise as a non-vital training ship for cadets and new graduates that stayed close to earth until its 2360 retrofit. The first film hinted at that by having Spock double as an academy instructor while acting as Pike's XO. But we got a few more snippets that seem to indicate that the JJverse ship was more or less one step above being a flight simulator until they refit it at the end. It's obviously a prized, capable ship in terms of its engine power but the implication is that it was more or less just a ship they kept relatively close and staffed with fresh graduates until the 5 year mission refit at the end.
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# 20
05-19-2013, 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by stoleviathan99 View Post
For me:

STID formal uniforms ALL look like TMP uniforms with a more military cut. They have the same color schemes, although we didn't see any tan ones. Officers in grey. Medical in white. Admiralty/ship commanders in grey with a white chest stripe. Rank on the shoulders. It's one thing I like about the JJ verse that they seem to have adopted, more or less, TOS uniforms for duty assignments and TMP uniforms for military dress. I wouldn't be surprised if they have a variant of WoK for diplomatic dress if they want to present a less hard edged vibe for formal occasions. (Ie. I could see them using a version of WoK for state dinners, balls, and galas.) It's a nice mix of Kirk era uniforms with a purpose behind each.

I'm guessing soft canon sources will establish that JJverse Klingons used a more crude method of reversing the augment virus, which resulted in the "super-Klingon" look. Maybe something they took when they had the Narada in custody. It doesn't necessarily affect Trouble with Tribbles because Arne Darvin was surgically altered to look human. (And the soft canon sources show him as having forehead and spine ridges before the surgery. So he probably never looked like the TOS Klingons.)

The Enterprise ship was never actually called a D4; that was a fan/soft-canon supposition. My preference is towards the STID ships being the D4 and maybe the Enterprise ships being a D5 or early D7 prototype.

Who wouldn't prefer the classic bridge? That said, the JJ bridge with the lights knocked out looks more like the TOS bridge than I would have thought. If they'd just knock the lights down, darken the bridge, and paint the railing red, I'd really like the JJverse bridge. Overall, I felt the ship interiors were beginning to look more like glorified TOS interiors (a lot more open spaces and bridges/archways) and hope the director of the next film continues that evolution a bit. Heck, the brewery main engineering would look better to me with a bit more of a black and gunmetal color scheme and some red grating.

I suspect and hope the next film will place more of the character moments on the ship. The five year mission should finally start to setup the idea that the ship is home.

One thing that did sell Kirk's rapid promotion for me from the last film is that this time, they establish a few things:

- The Enterprise is not the flagship or seen as special as it was in TOS at the beginning of Into Darkness. It's just a ship and appears to be more or less a cadet ship assigned to non-vital tasks and not intended for deep space use until the retrofit.
- The Enterprise appears to have been patrolling known space, close to home, under Pike's watch.
- Kirk was resented for being handed command.

None of these points were pushed heavily but I felt like they were all well presented in the film. It does reconcile some of the absurdity of the 2009 film's ending if you imagine the Enterprise as a non-vital training ship for cadets and new graduates that stayed close to earth until its 2360 retrofit. The first film hinted at that by having Spock double as an academy instructor while acting as Pike's XO. But we got a few more snippets that seem to indicate that the JJverse ship was more or less one step above being a flight simulator until they refit it at the end. It's obviously a prized, capable ship in terms of its engine power but the implication is that it was more or less just a ship they kept relatively close and staffed with fresh graduates until the 5 year mission refit at the end.
Very, very well said. I really don't have much to add except to agree with this post in its entirety.
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