Captain
Join Date: Jan 2013
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# 21
05-19-2013, 05:10 PM
Current reputation system is as easy as it can possibly be. You can complete tier-2 reputation in less than 1 week of playing less than 1 hour per day. That gets you access to the Borg console and cutting beam, and all of the Omega-rep Mk X gear sets. I see no reason to make it any simpler. If its too much work for your alt, your alt doesnt need the gear.
Survivor of Romulus
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 25
# 22
05-19-2013, 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by fuzzzika View Post
So just read this entire thread. And let me say, wow.

again...

W o w.

Lets take Omega rep for a moment. You just hit 50. And decided to do an elite space stf. Hey did you know what you just got enough Omega Marks for the first two projects? and if you rinse and repeat an elite space stf a day, you can max out that alts Omega rep in about 35.71428571428571 days. But we can just round it on up to 36. Lets count that, 36 days. Pretty sure in the pre-season 7 some of you ran more than 36 STFs.

Or you can just go with the idea of,

Give it to me with no effort! Because (insert random excuse here). My mommy and daddy give me everything I want, why cant the game?
You should have to do the first rep grind, the system would not make sense without it. Rolling a second, third, fourth (And for many others the number reaches 6+) means that the GRIND has to be done again. This is not entitlement, this is respect. If you don't see the reputation grind as an insult, you are likely either gullible or not looking at the system correctly. There is ZERO skill involved in the reputation grind, it is flat and simply a GRIND. There isn't even a feeling of accomplishment. Log on, input resources, log off, log on, click "collect reward."
Captain
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# 23
05-19-2013, 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by fuzzzika View Post
Oh wait, I do. since season 7 release, i have 9 of my 13 maxed. Started with just 3 toons, each an stf a day. Sometimes I would get all full'a moxy and do 4 or 5 a day. you know. Try and accomplish something in a game.
Yeah, and some of try to accomplish other things in the game. I grind over 500k Dilithium per month to help my Fleet.

Plus not everyone loves to grind the same handful of STFs several times a day for months on end. Some people like to do different things in the game to keep from being bored. So people don't want to raise rabbits or do Rom Patrols day after day, etc.

Cryptic's the one who made their end-game excessively grindy. Where other games are adding new STFs Cryptic just gives you more Rep systems requiring you to do the same basic content over and over.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
Captain
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# 24
05-19-2013, 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by neurodopamine View Post
Log on, input resources, log off, log on, click "collect reward."
I dont understand why you call that a "GRIND" even
Lieutenant
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 79
Having the Reputation items be account-bound instead of character-bound seems like a great option to me. Even if I still have to go through the Reputation grind for each of my characters for the tier passives and powers (a reasonable expectation I suppose), being able to do stuff like STF content with M.A.C.O./Omega/KHG sets from the start would make the process a lot less tedious. With this in place, I'd be much more inclined to go through Reputation on each of my characters, allowing me to get the best out of my alts to experience different playstyles and what not. I have various alts of different professions and different builds that I would love to play endgame content with more, but won't because the high cost in both time and materials of duplicate Reputation grind for the same endgame items I can get on my main characters is just too much for me.

Say we have to run through the Reputation systems on one character for each faction to get the item and store unlocks. Then we can buy and push the items to our alt characters as we wish only through the Account Bank. You can't use the stuff on any character under Lvl 50 anyways, so players still have to put the work in on each character. And to perform at their absolute best, going through the Reputation again for the passives and T5 powers seems fair. Players can then create new characters, built them up to max, and perform at the level that they are used to, as opposed to feeling hobbled on a partially-equipped alt character while running the same content they'd be running on their main chars anyway and waiting an extra month and a half (on top of the time to develop the alt to Lvl 50) for their Reputation grinds to complete.

I think that some of us who have been in-game for awhile have an expectation that as soon as we've developed our main characters to perform at a maximum level, that a long, tedious grind to get newer characters to the same level is unattractive, so why do it? Giving players the ability to use these lucrative items on alt characters as soon as they reach endgame seems to me like a great way to engage players in the full breadth of the game without bogging them down with a lot of repetitive stuff that they have already done a few too many times.

Last edited by tylermaxwell; 05-19-2013 at 05:20 PM.
Survivor of Romulus
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# 26
05-19-2013, 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by ursusmorologus View Post
I dont understand why you call that a "GRIND" even
Grind: A repeating task that a player engages in to advance in the game.

No I do not have to sit there killing boars over and over but it is still a grind. Would you rather I use the term resource and time sink?
Career Officer
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 46
# 27
05-19-2013, 05:26 PM
I agree. I should not have to repeat that horrible grind... i have 7 chars, one has tier V rep on both reputation systems, the rest don't and I don't think they will, ever.

Now with the new expansion we get another reputation system... this is getting more and more boring and not fun. Three reputation systems to grind for each character? Sorry, it is not going to happen, i won't do that, no way. I'll quit the game before doing that.

Cryptic, get this: The more characters I have, the more money I will spend on zen, buying toys for all of them. Now, with the reputation as it is... toys for one, maybe two... so no ships, costumes, boffs, keys, or anything from the Z-Store for the rest of characters, nice move!.

And the new expansion... I might create one romulan character... not going to create more, and not going to spend my money on that faction because i only have one character. Same with klingons... I have one char and no intention of creating another one or spend any money on that faction... because of the rep system. I have not played my klingon char almost since the rep system came alive. You could have saved much work on the new expansion... many people won't even give it a chance if this rep system stays at it is... they will quit the game as i probably will.

I'm not even going to comment on epooh tagging. Cryptic, you should be ashamed of what you are doing to Trek... admirals running behind bunnies and making it by far the best way to obtain romulan marks, that's just amazing! Guess what, never done it, never will... new Romulus is not in the star chart for me... keep boring me, i'll keep holding my money in my hands and not buying any zen until i'm bored enough to quit the game.

Last edited by drlirio; 05-19-2013 at 05:31 PM.
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# 28
05-19-2013, 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by lexusk19 View Post
Agreed! 100%! Account wide!
very much this I all ready got it up to level 3 or 4 and I only every really play one toon now I got to start all over again with that not to say all the EC I put in to it
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This! Their ability to outdo their own failures is quite impressive. If only this power could be harnessed for good.
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It's not their fault you feel trolled by the new ability to be immune to your disco ball, sorry'boutit.
Career Officer
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# 29
05-19-2013, 05:34 PM
Here is the issue with making it a one time progression.

Whats the point of even playing the alt if your not doing something with it? Oh bam, I am level fifty. And look, I have my gear because Uncle Sugar went and did the grind for me. Oh I know, I'll do stf's for kicks with friends. Oh wait, after a few weeks of stomping the Borg to death I am bored. Lets play something else.

PWE or Cryptic, what ever you want to call it would be stupid to dumb the game down any further than it already has been.
Survivor of Romulus
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Posts: 463
# 30
05-19-2013, 05:43 PM
Character-only rep is bad for alt player enjoyment, and bad for Cryptics profit, account based reputation unlocks is the way to go, but not items, I would agree we pay for that per character, that's the incentive for cryptic cause that means we aren't pointlessly time gated and held back from spending more money on this game. There is every reason for cryptic to do this, especially with more reps on the way.
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