Rihannsu
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# 211
05-20-2013, 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by snoggymack22 View Post
Have at it people! Show me how bad cruiser DPS is. Drop the math on me. And the parses. If Cruiser DPS is LESS THAN HALF of what Escort DPS is, maybe I'll change my tune?
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# 212
05-20-2013, 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by markhawkman View Post
Or does it?

I'm a long time player of the Free Oddy. To me.... a "dismal" turn rate isn't anything particularly bothersome. Then again.... I actually USE my Eng skills.... I'm also not afraid to disco everything in sight. Why? Because I know my ship can handle attracting aggro from multiple enemies. I have no problem flying the D'D or Ha'apax as-is. I don't even bother with RCS consoles....
Space whale has a higher turn rate, granted only .5. If you want to look at the broader aspect of the topic no cruiser should be .5-1 point above a carrier, so even the Space Whale should get a point point boost. There's a huge divide between turn rates for escorts/sci and cruisers, but very little between some cruisers and carriers. Carriers make up for this by sheer numbers of fighters combined with carrier weapons. Yes cruisers have more hull, but they should be able to place a few good hits too, but the lower turn rates can be very preventative when it comes to lower firing arc weapons.

But then again back to a point that was completely ignored, what game breaking damage would there be in a 1-2 point increase?
Rihannsu
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# 213
05-20-2013, 01:03 PM
::chuckles:: Only in the federation.. There are always exceptions to every rule. Players who pour over data to tweak their ships to the absolute maximum that can be gotten. i've seen an escort on the fed side that could one shot a cube and whose shields regened in less than ten seconds. ive seen a plethora of cruisers do the same.. my bortusqu?? its a battering ram and little more.. My escort?/ its not bad but not spectacular. my Armitage on the tribble side?/ maybe it doesnt one shot a cube, but, it definitely leaves an impression..
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# 214
05-20-2013, 01:20 PM
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They're big and slow, but not really that much tougher than escorts and with less than half the damage output.

Who in the hell pulled that one out of their asss?? I'd guesstimate it's probably more around 75% depending on your build and such.
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# 215
05-20-2013, 01:21 PM
If the d'dederix turnrate increses then the battle cloak has to go in favor of a normal cloak. Sorry but it would be imbalanced otherwise since you'd get cannons + FIVE clickables on a ship with high survivability...
Rihannsu
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# 216
05-20-2013, 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by voicesdark View Post
Space whale has a higher turn rate, granted only .5. If you want to look at the broader aspect of the topic no cruiser should be .5-1 point above a carrier, so even the Space Whale should get a point point boost. There's a huge divide between turn rates for escorts/sci and cruisers, but very little between some cruisers and carriers. Carriers make up for this by sheer numbers of fighters combined with carrier weapons. Yes cruisers have more hull, but they should be able to place a few good hits too, but the lower turn rates can be very preventative when it comes to lower firing arc weapons.

But then again back to a point that was completely ignored, what game breaking damage would there be in a 1-2 point increase?
Would it hurt something? dunno, but.... the "Space Whale" as you called it is tougher and slower than most heavy cruisers. this tells me the Dracon is at least partly correct.
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If the d'dederix turnrate increses then the battle cloak has to go in favor of a normal cloak. Sorry but it would be imbalanced otherwise since you'd get cannons + FIVE clickables on a ship with high survivability...
Yeah, this.... I was able to tank those Elachi cone weapons reliably. And that was with a "dismal" turn rate.
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# 217
05-20-2013, 01:50 PM
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If the d'dederix turnrate increses then the battle cloak has to go in favor of a normal cloak. Sorry but it would be imbalanced otherwise since you'd get cannons + FIVE clickables on a ship with high survivability...
Why?? the D'Dex has always been superior to any federation ships of the 23rd century.. Please dont cry foul because all of a sudden theres a ship to be fearful of.. I personally dont like the D'Dex, or cruisers in general. I'll never fly them. I like escorts and warbirds and getting in close and intimate. Cant do that well in a cruiser ( any cruiser ). The thing is, regardless of what the D'Dex can do, I've seen federation builds that make it look silly. One shot-ing borg cubes for example.. With power like that, theres nothing to be afraid of, and any argument of in-equality becomes meaningless..
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# 218
05-20-2013, 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by wufangchu View Post
Why?? the D'Dex has always been superior to any federation ships of the 23rd century.. Please dont cry foul because all of a sudden theres a ship to be fearful of.. I personally dont like the D'Dex, or cruisers in general. I'll never fly them. I like escorts and warbirds and getting in close and intimate. Cant do that well in a cruiser ( any cruiser ). The thing is, regardless of what the D'Dex can do, I've seen federation builds that make it look silly. One shot-ing borg cubes for example.. With power like that, theres nothing to be afraid of, and any argument of in-equality becomes meaningless..
Um.... all I got from this was "I'm an outraged fanboy."

Personally, I LOVE cruisers. Escorts.... not so much. Battlecruisers are good though.
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# 219
05-20-2013, 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by wufangchu View Post
Why?? the D'Dex has always been superior to any federation ships of the 23rd century.. Please dont cry foul because all of a sudden theres a ship to be fearful of.. I personally dont like the D'Dex, or cruisers in general. I'll never fly them. I like escorts and warbirds and getting in close and intimate. Cant do that well in a cruiser ( any cruiser ). The thing is, regardless of what the D'Dex can do, I've seen federation builds that make it look silly. One shot-ing borg cubes for example.. With power like that, theres nothing to be afraid of, and any argument of in-equality becomes meaningless..
Yeah in the 23rd but not in the 24th....
And the game now plays in the 25th.

My GalX is one of those cube one shotters too, it also suffers a bad turnrate for something that can use cannons though, and said one shot does not even always hit if you don't use tractor beam.
And yeah you have seen build like that, but let me use your own argument about one shot ships : What stops D'dederix flyiers from making the same build? - Nothing

You also forget that the D'dederix is a lot bigger than a Galaxy Class ship and it is thus logical that the galaxy would be morre maneuverable than a D'dederix.
The Galaxy and the D'dederix were pretty even btw . A sovereign was even stronger than it.
Rihannsu
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# 220
05-20-2013, 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by markhawkman View Post
Um.... all I got from this was "I'm an outraged fanboy."

Personally, I LOVE cruisers. Escorts.... not so much. Battlecruisers are good though.

ROFLMAO... I'm neither a fanboy nor outraged.. I have my style and you have yours which is fine, but your estimation of me while bordering on insulting, is also way off mark..
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