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# 51
05-28-2013, 09:58 AM
Let me expand on this a little for y'all...

To get an FvF match, you log onto your Fed toon, open a menu, and hit 'join.'

even if it means going pug against some premade, there's a match waiting for you over there, it's like christmas every day.

To get an FvK match as a fed you do pretty much the same thing...and wait 15-30 minutes for enough KDF to arrive to get a match (except on saturday, when it's only about twice as long to get a match as FvF.)

For an FvK match KDF side, you log onto your toon, open the window, and click all 'join' all three of the following:
Ground Arena
Capture and Hold
Space Arena.

In 30 minutes or so, you'll have one of those three pop, sometimes less, rarely more.

Then you go to Ker'rat while you're waiting.

To get KvK requires digging up every KDF person you know who's on-line, negotiating with them because this isn't the suicide dilithium grind and scheduling a private match on a private que.

Of course, if you want to suicide-grind-which is four people take their shields off, armor off, park and let the fifth guy play marksmanship for fifteen kills three times in space, or thirty kills three times on ground) it's easier to get people to sign on...it's also boring as hell.

Typically weekend FvK sees a lot of lockbox ships on both sides-note that LB ships don't cloak, with a few BoPs mixed in-they DO cloak, but it's pretty rare to get a full cloaking team of KDF outside of Ker'rat, because there's always someone who thinks their Negh'var, Bort, Guramba, Vor'cha, etc. can man-it-out (and with a good team,they can). the only thing rarer than an all-BoP/Peghu team (full BC) is having more than one new guy in a raptor show up. MOST Raptors are pretty much PvE only players.

Now, I understand that you Feds are having some pain because you got what you wanted all-the-way-across: FedRomulans bring you Defiant-R equivalents with not just Battlecloak, but ENHANCED Battlecloaks-but y'all asked for that, you wanted the Roms to mostly come to your faction (Don't lie, you did), you wanted Plasmonic Leech, you wanted all the good toys the KDF had but without any of the drawbacks of playing KDF and you got it.

Bully for you, now deal with it-see, Fed players know what KDF players know-that is, if you WANT to get a match in before work, you pretty much have to play FvF-there aren't enough KDF to GET a match in before work-so all that stuff you people agitated for for the last...what, three years? is going to be used first-and-foremost on...

YOU.
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# 52
05-28-2013, 10:12 AM
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Now, I understand that you Feds
/sigh

Stereotypes are bad...mmmkay?
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# 53
05-28-2013, 10:48 AM
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/sigh

Stereotypes are bad...mmmkay?
Yet society creates new ones everyday.........
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# 54
05-28-2013, 11:10 AM
This is probably because Romulans are the new shiny, and everybody is playing with them and trying them out. Just look at sector space and common social hubs. It looks like Romulans Online right now. Eventually, people will get their fill and settle back into what will be their main character. Some will main their Romulan, many will go back to their Fed and KDF. Then you should start seeing more balance in the queue.

As for a preponderance of battle cloaking warbirds entering on both sides... well, should make those FvF matches more interesting. FvK too, can no longer assume we're the only ones lurking under cloak.
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# 55
05-28-2013, 12:05 PM
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This is probably because Romulans are the new shiny, and everybody is playing with them and trying them out. Just look at sector space and common social hubs. It looks like Romulans Online right now. Eventually, people will get their fill and settle back into what will be their main character. Some will main their Romulan, many will go back to their Fed and KDF. Then you should start seeing more balance in the queue.

As for a preponderance of battle cloaking warbirds entering on both sides... well, should make those FvF matches more interesting. FvK too, can no longer assume we're the only ones lurking under cloak.
See, I LIKE this part-it makes matches far more interesting when the other side is willing to deploy some stealthy birds.

Problem of course, is that post patch, EPtA gives stealth/cloak detection out to 20Km, and effective engagement is 10, and cloaked ships have no shields while cloaked, so all damage goes straight to hull. (EPtA does NOT boost your stealth, however, to such broken levels or it would've actually BEEN fixed.)

It's a bug, it was an acknowledged bug on Tribble, it was purportedly fixed but isn't, and it makes the complaint on this thread kind of silly...because anyone dumb enough to use a Cloak on the very-busy FvF boards with the bugged EPtA 20 Km cloakbusting deserves what they get-esp. with the Rommy ships having effectively the hull move shields and weapons of their Fed counterparts. (anyone who doesn't use their defiant build on their T'Varo is missing the point-it's effectively a Defiant-R with Battlecloak you dont have to slot a console for.)
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# 56
05-29-2013, 04:00 PM
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Venting time, pt.2

I did yeasterday a FvF Arena, as lt. cmdr. And I was flying the only not cloaking ship, everyone else was in Warbirds.

How the match looked like from my perspective? It was more or less so: I got to the center, rest of team cloaked around me. Setting up minefields and such, going EPtA and sensor scan to get someone. Then the guys are comming into my range, I pop up HYT and fire. In most cases it does nothing (HYR1).

Then they decloak, Alpha me. I'm hitting respawn. There is some fun I can watch from distance. When I get back, anyone is either dead or bakc in cloak waiting for the rest of the team to come to hunt down the flying target (me) or to kill the hunters.

If you count in that non of Warbirds is really prepared to be support ship so the chance to get any buff is zero and I can hope for ST if I'm lucky then you have the picture.

Now, I had to do it 8 times as we lost 13/15 with me being 8 of those deads, all by decloaking alphas by 3-5 enemy players. You got the picture of how much "fun" the Fed vs Fed currently is.

After that match I put the STO aside for the rest of the day. I'm pretty used to alphas from my times in Ker'rat and FvK. But there is difference between having like 20% of chance of being a target and some chance of getting support and being the only visible target and no chance of getting any sort of support.

Ok, I vented a little, need to return to work.
KDF players can run into the same problem when your on a team with a regular cloak or no cloak and 4 other players have BOPs. I have definetly felt your pain a few times. That being said, you could team up with fleetmates and then enter in the pug queue.

Romulans are FOM right now, it will balance out in time. As a primarily BOP pilot on my main kdf toon, I am not all oohs and ahhs over battlecloak on my new Romulan toon like some others. All BOP teams tend to get rolled against balanced teams in kdf vs. kdf in my experience. BOPs just can't support each other very well. There are plenty of ways to fight cloak and now all fed PvPers will have to learn them instead of the just the brave feds who PvP against KDF.
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They knew it. Before the mention of Romulans they were admitting themselves that two teams of cloakers are NOT fun to play so they do not play it.

I wait for Cryptic to introduce some sort of anti-cloak BOFF/DOFF abilities or boost a lot sensor consoles to give people who dedicate their builds to cloak detection (aka - 9 points in sensors, sensor deflector, all sci sensor consoles etc) ability to detect the cloaked ships when they enter weapons range. Or perhaps special anti-cloak console (that does not kill your game like Nebula grid) with same properties.

There are plenty of decloaking toys and consoles already. What you want is for innate ability to see cloak at range which negates the whole purpose of cloak. My BOP has 7 in stealth with a stealth console (don't laugh) and have been spotted by tac officers in escorts at 2 km away sometimes. It happens, I like the randomness of it. Sci officers see better than you give them credit for and have plenty of tools to come and chase cloakers down when they try to run away. The only real advantage of cloak is intiative in the opening round after that cloaking when being fired at or near a sci is a huge dice roll.

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# 57
05-29-2013, 07:01 PM
Cloak has always been a non-issue (though it's a lot stronger now with all the offensive power creep).

KvK was always dead because Klinks weren't interested in coping with their own consoles/abilities. Most players don't realize how far some of these toys can be taken in capable hands, I've seen FvK games that took legendary team coordination just to manage against above-average players using some consoles and skills, and stress levels that required professional therapy and a spa session once the match was over.

Klinks on the whole were designed this way by nature to entice players into the C-Store and make up for the dearth of PvE, as well as shoddy development for the faction on the whole. It wasn't a recipe for good or competitive PvP. I would say on the whole that the super-defensive, touchy and heal-heavy setups favored by Fed teams today arose in part with the need to compete against the Klinkydink C-Store.

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# 58
05-29-2013, 08:12 PM
Klinky dink C-store??? You talking about the ships like the Garumba or the consoles that where originally KDF?
Im not certain how the Cstore and Klingons where designed to save PvE in STO considering the biggest complaint about the KDF playerbase is we dont spend any money on STO. Heck, even the Devs held that one against us more than once.
Just how many Klinks are there to make 88% of the populace spend money just to beat them in PvP?

So is it the consoles we had? Items that where stated from release not to be exclusive to our faction but held from the feds until they could be used as candy to sweeten a deal. Hardly a glowing sign of KDF favortism to boost fed play and spending habits.

Our Cstore ships maybe? I could see some selling well due to thier design but nothing lile the numbers of ships that have been sold to the feds.

But I hardly see how the KDF was designed to save anything or designed to draw players into PvE much less PvP considering how semi attentive the Devs have been towards us until recently.

Im thinking the Devs merely where trying to be creative and once again we KDF catch fed flack for something we did not ask and where certainly not going to complain about recieving.

So they made an error, they can fix it, but do not try to blaim thos on some conspiracy to make KDF appealing or the klingon fans happy.
They had years to do that and make money while doing it but they did not.
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# 59
05-29-2013, 10:05 PM
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... snip ...Im thinking the Devs merely where trying to be creative and once again we KDF catch fed flack for something we did not ask and where certainly not going to complain about recieving.

... snip ...
I agree w/your general point, but I and other KDFs have and continue to bring it up. I also think it's selective outrage to point to a handful of KDF gear/gadgets that are over the top given all the other over the top crap injected in the game. If they wanted to make $ off the KDF they'd have taken most of ships in the Rommy Fleet store and put it in the KDF Fleet store last summer. Then there really would've been screams of bloody murder.
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# 60
05-29-2013, 11:35 PM
The Feds whined and whined about getting Cloaks, most especially Battle Cloaks. Not only do the Feds now have access with players having Cloaks and Battle Cloaks, they too now have the 1 unique characteristic of the B'Rel, the Enhanced Battle Cloak.

Well, the fools have all that now.

Reap the whirlwind.

You got what you asked for, now deal with it.
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