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# 51
05-30-2013, 06:07 AM
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Originally Posted by ferdzso0 View Post
oh the internet, where kindness and intelligence meets...

first off, devs said it requires more DPS than the most elite DPS team can put out. which does not mean it cannot be beaten. it means that either you have to out dps those teams, or should not go for dps at all (have you seen the guys who were shouting sciscisci in this topic, or was it hard to interpret as well?)

1)rude
2)untrue
3)I cannot deny that part about me, and the devs are not lying, you just do not understand what they said, there is a difference

naming is against the forum rules, and the last thing I want for my friends, you harrassing them
I see you have yet to meet kindness, and most definately intelligence
Move along please.


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Lt. Commander
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# 52
05-30-2013, 06:16 AM
I managed to get the CE below 66% and if anyone else has gotten this far they will see that the absorption time is about 5 sec and the shockwave wiped out my ENTIRE TEAM. and of course, due to the ungodly regen rate it was back at 100% by the time we all respawned and reengaged.

Its one thing to make something hard, but its totally different to make it utterly impossible.

e.g. No Win Scenario and Hive: Onslaught Elite are hard, Crystalline Catastrophe Elite is impossible

facepalm - major facepalm - In fact this was issued by Major Facepalm - he needs to be demoted
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# 53
05-30-2013, 07:18 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ferdzso0 View Post
oh the internet, where kindness and intelligence meets...

first off, devs said it requires more DPS than the most elite DPS team can put out. which does not mean it cannot be beaten. it means that either you have to out dps those teams, or should not go for dps at all (have you seen the guys who were shouting sciscisci in this topic, or was it hard to interpret as well?)

1)rude
2)untrue
3)I cannot deny that part about me, and the devs are not lying, you just do not understand what they said, there is a difference

naming is against the forum rules, and the last thing I want for my friends, you harrassing them

No, that is not the entirety of what was said. It would require that much DPS to get past the FIRST stage. The regen rate was ramped up in the second and third stage according to the Devs, to the point that it's unbeatable.

Quote:
In short, it was allowing the Entity to regenerate so many hitpoints that it would require far more DPS than even the most hardcore 10-man team could ever hope to muster (around 18k DPS, per player). And then it ramped up from there, during Phase 2 and Phase 3 (after each explosion).
Emphasis mine.

You can use all the sci powers you want. SNB does not remove the regen. Throwing damaging powers at it does nothing either. PSW doesn't disable and ends up blowing up small shards only adding to the healing.

If you're going to lie, at least be believable. NO one has got it below 60%. No team can average greater than 18k DPS and even if they did it would have to be even HIGHER than that for Phase 2 and even higher again for Phase 3.

Since you claim to be so good, perhaps you could share how your imaginary team managed to do what no one else could. The two people who've claimed to beat it in other threads were confirmed to be lying and having beaten the regular version.

What you are doing should result in a ban. There are serious bugs with this encounter that the devs have confirmed and you are attempting to say there are not.
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# 54
05-30-2013, 09:21 AM
wait, wait, wait, say what? 18k DPS per player?

Andorian Charal Escort:

AP 4x adv fleet DHC [acc]x2[dmg]x2 + Rommy torp + Borg Cutting beam + AP turret + 3 AP tac consoles blue XI or equiv. = max dps of ~16-17k

and you want my 9 other teammates to have a setup with similar or greater DPS and not expect everyone to get melted instantaneously by an OP AP beam?

Yea that's realistic... especially with everyone screaming SCI SCI SCI SCI !!!!!!!!(I've never seen a sci ship EVER get above 12k dps)
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# 55
05-30-2013, 09:45 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ferdzso0 View Post
oh the internet, where kindness and intelligence meets...

first off, devs said it requires more DPS than the most elite DPS team can put out. which does not mean it cannot be beaten. it means that either you have to out dps those teams, or should not go for dps at all
Ok...many, more, most.

Good, better, best.

Fast, faster, fastest.

The thing about the last in those word sequences is that, in the english language, they refer to ultimate states.

You can not be faster than the fastest, better than the best......or, crucially, more than the most.

'The most elite DPs team'. The STO team that are, literally, better at DPS than any other team.We know thats what was meant via the artful use of the word most.

So, according to you, it's actually possible to out-DPS the literally best DPs team in the game, thus beating the CE. Or, take another approach entirely and go all science.


The former is clearly a logical impossibility that I'll put down to a bad dose of the smarmies.

However, if you truly did use the second method to take the Ce down, then please share the broad technique.

Was it all gravity wells? Sub-nukes? Is there some weird synergy that turns feedback pulse into a regen killer?

If you have out-thought the CE, as we know its impossible for it to have been out-fought, then please.....enlighten your humble audience.
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# 56
05-30-2013, 09:52 AM
I really don't understand your Problem. In 5 times CC, the Enity was killed 2 times, and I am pretty sure I and the other players were not the best players. Of course, the other 3 times, it was a pretty long game without winning, but it was still beatable 2 times. But, by the Way, no Crystal Shard was given as Reward.
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# 57
05-30-2013, 10:12 AM
What a great story, high dps players go into a pve with some level of actual challenge beyond banging ur facr on the keyboard and becomming level 80 in wow, then they failed.

This story illustrates an inbalance in the game mostly due to trying to cater to everyone at once. Keeping PvP,ers happy and newbies who have a long way to go and to learn in an ever-changing game system.
Tanks and aggro machines do and can have a legitmate use.
Science does have a use. Sounds like you could have used one or two well built ones into the mix. As i recall the old crystalline enitity tutorial mentions this in endless detail methods and setups for success.
Frankly I am glad you died. There needs to be A. a challenge to the game B. the actual risk of failure and thus learning. C. more missions that require a mixed team to win

Honestly this game is so gimme on ground and space i usually space out in ground or space simply following visual cues a hamster could manage, allowing auto target and auto fire to do most of the heavy work.

If you want the game to be more like it is now, just complain everytime the high dps thing the point and blast everything method doesn't save you. By extension rather than using your brain and the ability to reason simply plaster the forums with complaints that will be echo'ed by the meek masses until cryptic says "OH!, we better nerf or buff that"

JK in a world of subpar mmo's STO floats happily at the top of the bowl with a far smaller team resources and possibly even less skill and experience as a tech team.

I mean these guys are just beggin to through their money at them, too much to ask to see abudget? a bad centralized pipeline? maybe you could just tell us what you need in downtime or dontations for a proper redundant and more high end intrusion detections. better data center machines. All those things you seem to have to tweak continually.

I love watching guys try to play with the game packets to get more bang for their bandwidth buck. Just like now that tends to go badly for people. Lots of "do-over's"
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# 58
05-30-2013, 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by rinkster View Post
Ok...many, more, most.

Good, better, best.

Fast, faster, fastest.

The thing about the last in those word sequences is that, in the english language, they refer to ultimate states.

You can not be faster than the fastest, better than the best......or, crucially, more than the most.

'The most elite DPs team'. The STO team that are, literally, better at DPS than any other team.We know thats what was meant via the artful use of the word most.

So, according to you, it's actually possible to out-DPS the literally best DPs team in the game, thus beating the CE. Or, take another approach entirely and go all science.


The former is clearly a logical impossibility that I'll put down to a bad dose of the smarmies.

However, if you truly did use the second method to take the Ce down, then please share the broad technique.

Was it all gravity wells? Sub-nukes? Is there some weird synergy that turns feedback pulse into a regen killer?

If you have out-thought the CE, as we know its impossible for it to have been out-fought, then please.....enlighten your humble audience.
Actually now that you mention feedback pulse I bet that would put a serious dent into the CE especially when you get your PG over the 300 mark. Not a bad idea at all.

PS: Elite CE is still needs retuned no matter what.
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# 59
05-30-2013, 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by savnoka View Post
One cannot 'prove' a negative. If you have actually beaten it, then explain how you did so, when the Devs have stated it cannot physically be done and several of the top DPS teams (who are very well known) can't do it, when a no-name like you claims to do so.

Three Options:

1) You are lying for e-peen and no one believes you
2) You didn't play elite
3) You are telling the truth and somehow the devs, programmers and everyone else is wrong, and you are some kind of magical god.

What team were you on? List some handles. If you don't have screenshots, screenshot your build and let's see how much DPS it puts out.

If you can't put up, shut up.
I have to agree with ferdzo ont his matter, as he said you cannot prove to be wrong but it doesnt mean that he is wrong, tell us, does god exist? give us proof. thats exactly what you are asking right here. I believe that the entity is possiple, it just needs good team wit healing, dps, and crows control to disable the beams the entity uses, such as SNB to reduce the beam cooldowns, boarding party to remove the beams entirely, gravity well to keep it on one spot with the shards, and most important, losts of beta and disruptor to reduce it's defence.

I don't have interests in trying to beat it but I ensure that 18k dps is possiple, and even 27k dps is possiple, and if 10 people are involved, I beleive 33k dps is possiple with enough beta/fomm/sensor scan spamming. PER PLAYER!
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# 60
05-30-2013, 08:11 PM
If the people who work on and created this game say that it's next to impossible and the best DPS teams say its impossible - Then I'm inclined to think its impossible.

If you have the nerve to come on this thread and say that you personally beat the Crystalline Entity event on ELITE difficulty, post LoR update, then in my view you are a liar until proven truthful.

I seriously doubt this STF is beatable
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