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# 11
06-02-2013, 08:29 PM
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so basically youre telling me to learn to play, learn to adapt, be prepared for everything right?

shouldnt that also apply to the guy who is cloaking?
GOOD Bird of prey drivers do-because they have to, but it's a hell of a long walk from swapping out one sci boff for a Fedscort, and working around being seen-and-engaged at 10k while your shields are down and your weapons are offline.

which is what the EPTA bug does for the opposition. I've already started working up workarounds for losing the ability to move cloaked (because I don't think Cryptic's going to fix that anytime soon) have you started working around gaps in your bridge-officer lineup?
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# 12
06-02-2013, 08:34 PM
Well, if you're a cloaker, It's pretty easy to see and avoid gravity well and not fly straight into gas. You know I hang around Kerrat in my Defiant a lot, so I'm confident I know what I'm talking about.
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# 13
06-02-2013, 08:35 PM
Most people, well, Americans anyway, use "karma" incorrectly, or at least in an over-simplified kind of way. My wife and I just say "American Karma" to refer to things happening to somebody based on what they did a week ago.

The B'Rel had a perfect cloak for a while there. Looks like we've got a bit of American Karma coming our way.
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# 14
06-02-2013, 08:39 PM
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Most people, well, Americans anyway, use "karma" incorrectly, or at least in an over-simplified kind of way. My wife and I just say "American Karma" to refer to things happening to somebody based on what they did a week ago.

The B'Rel had a perfect cloak for a while there. Looks like we've got a bit of American Karma coming our way.
and it shouldn't have had that 'perfect cloak' back then, either...and a lot of us didn't USE the combinations that got it/enabled it because it WAS a bug.

But this time is different-this time, it's a bug that benefits Fed players at the expense of KDF players. THIS time, I expect they'll take a good, long, time to fix it unless it starts causing a slip in sales of Romulan gear, toons, etc. etc. or causes a ****storm FEDSIDE. (unlikely in both counts.)

because it really only cripples one faction out of two, and the faction so crippled is long out of favour. (NONE of the Devs play Klingon.)
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# 15
06-02-2013, 08:41 PM
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GOOD Bird of prey drivers do-because they have to, but it's a hell of a long walk from swapping out one sci boff for a Fedscort, and working around being seen-and-engaged at 10k while your shields are down and your weapons are offline.

which is what the EPTA bug does for the opposition. I've already started working up workarounds for losing the ability to move cloaked (because I don't think Cryptic's going to fix that anytime soon) have you started working around gaps in your bridge-officer lineup?
You see the problem is though, once epta gets fixed well be right back at "even using all the see things powers I can see the cloak until they're less then 3km away" way it was before the romulans came out.

I could really care less at this point because I fly a nebula that uses both consoles, heat seeking toros (which is own can of worms) and charged partial burst for my main anti cloak duties.
Yes I use epta, but unless I can decloak them the rest of the can't see them (unless they have epta themselves)

Sure, I can shoot them while seeing them but if its regular cloak it just decloaks them and puts their shields up. If its battle cloak it won't, but then if they're just gonna sit there after I spotted them that's their fault.

Introducing so many new cloaking ships for the fed side was a mistake.

As I said, epta may be working wrong now, but te way it used to work (only adding 1%) was way too little a boost considering how easy it is now for ships to get "perfect" cloaks.
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# 16
06-02-2013, 08:55 PM
With Sensors at 9, tachyon detection field console (the com uni that can be slotted in any Fed/Rom ship), sensor scan buff, Senx3 deflector, 2 sensor probes, I could see a fully kitted out Romulan out to 11km or so.

So even after the nerf I will be able to see people out there. This works best when used with other support though.

The real key is the console and sensor scan.


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# 17
06-02-2013, 09:27 PM
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With Sensors at 9, tachyon detection field console (the com uni that can be slotted in any Fed/Rom ship), sensor scan buff, Senx3 deflector, 2 sensor probes, I could see a fully kitted out Romulan out to 11km or so.

So even after the nerf I will be able to see people out there. This works best when used with other support though.

The real key is the console and sensor scan.
This is the way it was supposed to work - I also have a Fleet Nebula- does not get much use, but the fact is if you wanted to detect cloak you had to be sci and be well spec'd for it. The same as in the shows.

Basically this bug has removed any reason to have a new Romulan ship - this should really worry Cryptic.

I am pissed because I have 5 ships that are definitely useless now - T'Varo, T'Varo Refit, Fleet T'varo, B'rel refit, Fleet B'rel - thats 6000 Zen+ in just those ships

Cloak is their primary defense - they pay for it with 22k - 27k hulls a low starting shield level and a shield mod starting at 0.8 - they cannot go into a dog fight with powerful escorts

and they certainly can't take the hits to hull with their shields offline

So this exploit is completely unfair - oh and that B'rel perfect cloak was only used by a very very few people as you had to buy a bunch of Romualn Boffs that were 80K fleet marks at least + dilithium - perhaps a dozen people did it - vs - every ship in PvP now using this cheat/exploit

make no doubt about it - IT'S CHEATING - you know it's not supposed to work that way - you know it is broken and you use it - therefore you are cheating.
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# 18
06-02-2013, 09:30 PM
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You see the problem is though, once epta gets fixed well be right back at "even using all the see things powers I can see the cloak until they're less then 3km away" way it was before the romulans came out.

I could really care less at this point because I fly a nebula that uses both consoles, heat seeking toros (which is own can of worms) and charged partial burst for my main anti cloak duties.
Yes I use epta, but unless I can decloak them the rest of the can't see them (unless they have epta themselves)

Sure, I can shoot them while seeing them but if its regular cloak it just decloaks them and puts their shields up. If its battle cloak it won't, but then if they're just gonna sit there after I spotted them that's their fault.

Introducing so many new cloaking ships for the fed side was a mistake.

As I said, epta may be working wrong now, but te way it used to work (only adding 1%) was way too little a boost considering how easy it is now for ships to get "perfect" cloaks.
I think the magnitude should be tweaked a bit still, though... down to 10 km assuming no ranks in Sensors or Stealth on the respective side and similar Aux levels, for a Klingon cloak.

On the one hand, EPtA currently fully counters cloaking, particularly since it can be run continuously. On the other hand, it also effectively locks out EPtW, which got a serious buff due to applying its damage bonus for its full duration. (EPtS still grants a major shield resistance buff, so I wouldn't recommend using an EPtW/A combo over an EPtS/A one.) So, Cruisers and Eng-heavy Science Vessels (which have the space for EPtA as well as abilities to get more utility off of it than just stealth sight) will counter cloaked vessels for now, while Escorts will have to decide whether they want to counter cloaked vessels or keep the EPtS resistance buff up.

And at the end of the day... I think I'm OK with that. It makes Battle Cloak a tactical choice with serious consequences, not just three seconds of extreme vulnerability followed by an indefinite amount of near invulnerability and five to ten seconds (or so) of a fairly major damage buff. If there's a paranoid Cruiser or Science Vessel flying around scanning for cloaked ships, good for them, it gives them something useful to do while also improving their Sci powers and Aux-based heals by virtue of the EPtA power bonus, but forces them to trade off against EPtW or EPtS. Aux2Batt cruisers break this idea, though, but I think that's more of an issue with the power of the Technician doff than it is with EPtA.
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# 19
06-02-2013, 09:37 PM
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Yes I use epta, but unless I can decloak them the rest of the can't see them (unless they have epta themselves)
That part isn't true... Running EPTA on your cloaker will NOT keep you cloaked. It will just reveal everyone else for you. lol
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# 20
06-02-2013, 11:31 PM
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I think the magnitude should be tweaked a bit still, though... down to 10 km assuming no ranks in Sensors or Stealth on the respective side and similar Aux levels, for a Klingon cloak.

And at the end of the day... I think I'm OK with that. It makes Battle Cloak a tactical choice with serious consequences, not just three seconds of extreme vulnerability followed by an indefinite amount of near invulnerability and five to ten seconds (or so) of a fairly major damage buff. If there's a paranoid Cruiser or Science Vessel flying around scanning for cloaked ships, good for them, it gives them something useful to do while also improving their Sci powers and Aux-based heals by virtue of the EPtA power bonus, but forces them to trade off against EPtW or EPtS. Aux2Batt cruisers break this idea, though, but I think that's more of an issue with the power of the Technician doff than it is with EPtA.
* Being able to see ships @ 10km should require specing. It's like any other specialty in the game. You may be able to do it okay but if you don't commit and spec it will only be 'Meh.'

* Issue is being able to see cloaked ships 30km away.

* The game has changed focus to sci-tact teams. For a number of reason... Sensor Scan having multiple uses. Healing getting out of hand. The new romulan consoles are sick and just stupid. But w/e sells I guess.


To end, I don't really give two ****s what people do. It's clear PVP doesn't matter to PWE likewise Cryptic so. I'm just going to have fun until the game goes only PVE.


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