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Lt. Commander
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# 11
05-31-2012, 10:25 PM
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Originally Posted by mister_dee
Only the newer BoPs are larger, probably for resons like the need to put those weapons, stronger hull, shields and a power source to keep it all running somewhere.
That's why the models steadily grow in size from the B'rel up.
It makes sense otherwise it's like placing a Main Battle Tank's gun turret onto a jeep.
Even thugh there is no recoil in space, the weaponry must be moved and powered somehow.
Also while the Hegh'ta has a large wingspan and long hull this is not entirely the defining factor for the ship's size, the actual volume is.
And in that category it's probably just a bit above the Nova.

The only ship that this defies this logic is of course the T5 B'rel retrofit because it's just a super-buffed version of the T1 model without any physical modifications.
You can point and laugh at me for bringin up an explanation why a larger ship for twice the guns make sense only to have my entire line of reasoning killed off by the retrofit BoP if you wish.
Tell this to the Defiant, which in canon for the time frame it was in was the most powerful ship in Starfleet (and arguably the alpha quadrant). If you watch the DS9 episode where the ship is introduced, you find out how they manage to pack such a powerful punch into a small ship like that.

The analogy of putting a tank turret on a Jeep isn't really fitting, nor much related here considering we're dealing with energy weapons not projectile weapons. Working with that analogy: while you certainly couldn't just drop a tank turret on a Jeep and expect it to work, you could easily take a same caliber gun and build a Jeep sized vehicle around it and have it be very effective.

If you look at modern warfare you'll see that from the time of WWI through till currently, weapons are getting more powerful but they are not getting larger, nor are the platforms that deploy those weapons. Sure, naval carriers have gotten much larger since they first appeared, but the number of aircraft that they support has increased while there has not been a significant change in size of fighter aircraft since the first naval carrier was conceived. If you look at a tank from WWII and a modern day tank, the size is similar but the modern day tank packs way more punch and can withstand way more punishment.

The only thing that really has an impact on the size of a modern day weapons platform is what role that platform is supposed to play and the number of crew it supports.

The reason the B'rel doesn't change in size but becomes more powerful is because the technology has improved while the number of crew the ship supports has not. The ships in the game are getting larger because they are getting more crew. What really needs to be questioned is why they are getting more crew. The role of the original B'rel and the Hegh'ta are the same, but the Hegh'ta has roughly 3x the crew so it's also roughly 3x the size. The reality (if you can really say 'reality' when dealing with an entirely fictional universe) is likely that the ships are getting more crew because they need to be more self sufficient to be able to handle longer periods of time away from a home port.
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# 12
06-20-2012, 10:59 AM
I guess big ships need more people to maintain. They kind of got bloated after a point with so many labs and non-combat facilities I think. Regarding the size of the Hegh'ta, it's wider than an Excelsior is long. I've long been of the opinion that above a certain size, BoPs should be variable geometry, in that we can pick a wing setting, and either be more cruiser like, or more escort like, depending on wether they're up or down. This mechanic exists already in the Garumba and d'kora, and with the ammount of unique boff arrangements the BoP has becoming no longer unique, it needs something else to balance out that missing ensign.

I'd love to go cruiser-BoP like Kurn in the Hegh'ta (as in the original Hegh'ta) in Redemption. And as Redemption's such a cool Klingon episode, I'm going to watch it right now. Glory to the Empire!
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# 13 kdf chart
12-14-2012, 05:55 PM
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This is a repost of my Ship Size Comparison Chart, which I originally posted in the Academy forum. This is the Klingon version of the chart, although I'm including the Federation version here as well. For more information on these charts and some others I came up with, visit the thread in the Fed Shipyard forum.

Klingon Ship Size Comparison Chart

Here's the Fed chart just in case you don't want to visit the other thread:

Federation Ship Size Comparison Chart

Unlike with the Federation ships, most of the Klingon ships are not canon, and thus I have no "official" source for the lengths. Thus most of them are estimates based on the Federation ships' canon lengths. I include some Fed ships in the Klingon chart just to give a point of reference. The Klingon ships get WAY bigger than the Federation with those carriers, and so their chart is to a smaller scale. (The smallest ships may be a bit harder to see)

The ships that are canon seem to not be to scale either, particularly the Negh'Var, which is huge. I'm guessing the devs either made it bigger to make it comparable to the Star and Assault Cruisers, or the KDF has just evolved the design so it is larger. Likewise, the Somraw Raptor is a ST: Enterprise design, and this may be just a 2409 design that is named the same.

I have posted both the fighters from the Vo'Qov and the Kar'fi, as a comparison to the shuttles. While I have not posted the new playable fighter yet, I plan to replace the Vo'Qov fighter with it if they turn out to be the same size.

i like the chart its pretty accurate. good job
Commander
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# 14
01-07-2013, 07:07 PM
Does anyone know what size the Corsair is?
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# 15
01-08-2013, 02:50 AM
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Originally Posted by lordgyor View Post
Does anyone know what size the Corsair is?
About 550 metres long.

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# 16
06-10-2013, 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by artan42 View Post
About 550 metres long.

Thank you.

So its slightly smaller then the Maurader, but has more crew, hmmm maybe the extra hull on the basic Maurader, has something to do with that.
Commander
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# 17
06-17-2013, 07:52 PM
For comparison the CN Tower is 553 metres tall. Not as wide though.
Lieutenant
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# 18
11-27-2013, 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Archived Post View Post

If you look at modern warfare you'll see that from the time of WWI through till currently, weapons are getting more powerful but they are not getting larger, nor are the platforms that deploy those weapons. Sure, naval carriers have gotten much larger since they first appeared, but the number of aircraft that they support has increased while there has not been a significant change in size of fighter aircraft since the first naval carrier was conceived. If you look at a tank from WWII and a modern day tank, the size is similar but the modern day tank packs way more punch and can withstand way more punishment.
I've been to the aberdeen proving grounds on armed forces day and, well. an M1 is CONSIDERABLY larger than any WW2 tank, especially the american ones. The M60 is also larger but smalle than the M1 by a fair bit. So the tanks have gotten bigger.


Also, your comment about the size of carrier based aircraft not changing since WW2 is also incorrect. The F-14 and F15 are about as big (length/wingspan) as a B25 mitchell bomber which was quite a bit largert than any carrier based aircraft normally used (Read up ont he doolittle raid and hwo hard it was to launch the Mitchells)
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# 19
11-27-2013, 11:45 PM
Modern OPVs are around the same size as some ancient oared Quinqueremes. However the complexity of the onboard systems are obviously hugely different. The physical size of the final piece of hardware rarely goes hand in hand with technological development. They are usually big or small enough to get the job done.
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# 20
12-12-2013, 10:37 AM
This chart just doesn't seem to gel with what's in-game. I had my Fleet K'tinga Retro parked side by side with a vorcha retrofit in-game and they were almost exactly the same length. This was in the past month. Even got a screenshot because it was a nice image (old and new).
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