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Join Date: May 2013
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# 1 Go escort or go home?
06-13-2013, 07:00 AM
I'm pretty new so forgive me if I get anything wrong its just an observation of some one who has just leveled 2 chars to 50.Not talking elite STF's or anything anything advanced just the leveling experience. I leveled A Klingon in BOP's exclusively and starfleet in only cruisers Both tac officers.

Lets start with a little background about why I have come to this conclusion.Keep in mind I had no clue what I was doing until level 30 in my BOP so it should be at major disadvantage right? RIIIGHT?


BOP.Had a blast,it had great survivability great damage and flew like a fighter jet.I died like twice in my whole 1-50 journey (not including buggy STF's).
I spent hardly any skill points I didn't retrain my BOFF's and I dismissed the DOFF system totally as I couldn't be bothered.
It was mostly in greens and whites.At around level 30 ish I decided I liked the game and should learn how to play properly so looked up some guides specced properly got appropriate BOFF skills assigned DOFFs etc.
Basically after learning how to play I was killing anything in missions before my cloak had fully wore off.


Cruisers....wear to start.Keep in mind I knew exactly what I was doing right off the bat,I spent skill points every time I had some to spend and actually put them in the right places. my BOFF setup has been almost perfect from the start,I actually assigned DOFF's for the lovely bonuses they provide.At level 30 I even bought some top of the line gear for it off the exchange.

Lets compare how both ship types performed at level 30.

The cruiser has a big fat 0 things it performs better then my BOP at.Its just as squishy,it does less damage,slower.The cruiser was all purple and BOP was in garbage I can't stress this enough.


I know someone will come here quoting max level with the best gear/ships etc but this is not what this post is about hence why its posted in the academy section not general.

Last edited by queeg9000; 06-13-2013 at 08:12 AM.
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# 2
06-13-2013, 07:03 AM
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TL'DR A noob in a escort with bad gear/setup will out perform a experienced player in a cruiser in every aspect of the game even tanking.
I would like to find someone you define as a 'noob' to out do my cruiser. Yes there are some extremely good escorts that can do twice the damage my cruiser can do, but at end game any ship can put out a lot of DPS.
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# 3
06-13-2013, 07:16 AM
Please either read the whole (messy) post or read one line up not talking max level and the noob in the escort is me and the more experienced cruiser is also me.

Read the whole thing and what I just said makes sense.

Also please keep the boasting to a minimum.

Last edited by queeg9000; 06-13-2013 at 07:19 AM.
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# 4
06-13-2013, 07:21 AM
You said level 30 and at level 30 I can still out DPS most 'noob' escorts when done right.
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# 5
06-13-2013, 07:22 AM
I'd have to disagree on this one.

For example the LtCmdr. Nova refit. I can make it a very nice shield tank using a cannon build. It still turns fast enough for me to keep my sides/front on target and have all 4 cannons going. While rotating EPS1 and either TSS1 or 2.
My shields barely go down. Unless I get focus fired Alpha strike in PvP.

Mind you I havent used the Cmdr. Cruiser for a while now. So I can't recall the build I had going on it. But for a Dps cruiser using a 2 canon 1 torp fore /3 turret aft.
Opting for either CRF or THY. Still gives that nice burst damage.
And instead of TSS 1 and 2 you simply swap to EPS 1 and 2.

Now why does this matter. If you can tank the Escorts or what ever it is you happen to be fighting. And with the right weapon powers/consoles etc. You can still do as much dps as an escort.

Anyway thats my two cents on the matter from my experince. I hope that helps
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# 6
06-13-2013, 07:24 AM
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Originally Posted by queeg9000 View Post
TL'DR A noob in a escort with bad gear/setup will out perform a experienced player in a cruiser in every aspect of the game even tanking.
First off, who cares about level 30? Level 50 is really all that matters

I completely disagree with your entire outlook and I think this mentality is quite rampant among both new and experienced players. Escorts are not always all they are cracked up to be. In a firefight with a dreadnought class npc like a tactical cube or tholian tarantula, escorts often cannot hold their own and end up getting ripped apart by just a few torpedos. If more players looked at KDF battlecruisers like the Vor'cha or the Tor'Kaht, they would see that most of them can be much more formidable than escorts with comparable damage potential.

Personally, I use the Kar'fi Battle Carrier, which in many cases, outperforms most escorts in all categories except turn rate. Players like you underestimate or do not consider the effectiveness of things like carrier pets and Science or Engineering BOff powers.

In a situation like this, it helps to be open minded. Damage is not everything.
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Last edited by ajma420; 06-13-2013 at 07:26 AM.
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# 7
06-13-2013, 07:32 AM
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Originally Posted by queeg9000 View Post
TL'DR A noob in a escort with bad gear/setup will out perform a experienced player in a cruiser in every aspect of the game even tanking.
1. In regular mission-based solo PvE it doesn't matter how much you perform compared to others. You'd have to be pretty badly built to get wiped by the enemy A.I. and even if it takes a bit longer to get a kill, you still get a kill. True, some things are a bit unfair like RomuBorg ships decloaking on top of you right after you fought off a previous wave, but otherwise you can handle anything in the game.

2. KDF ships perform better. That's their main selling point.
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# 8
06-13-2013, 07:51 AM
standard patrol mission level 30

5 waves of attackers

The escort finishes the mission in a few minutes and goes and does another patrol

The cruiser is still working on the first patrol mission


Thats just how it is
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# 9
06-13-2013, 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by empireofsteve View Post
I would like to find someone you define as a 'noob' to out do my cruiser. Yes there are some extremely good escorts that can do twice the damage my cruiser can do, but at end game any ship can put out a lot of DPS.
your sig is so cool but cant decide if you troll in the post or in the sig

Quote:
Originally Posted by queeg9000 View Post
TL'DR A noob in a escort with bad gear/setup will out perform a experienced player in a cruiser in every aspect of the game even tanking.
in pvp even if the nOOb is a pro a sci ship/cruiser will still kill it .(of course without the run away tactic )
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# 10
06-13-2013, 08:05 AM
Okay, first, the actual truth is that escorts require less effort to be competitive, while cruisers require more effort to build and fly competitively. Both are capable, when all is said and done, but escorts are jump-in-and-go while cruisers require lots of attention to trivial little details and changes to combat timing and all kinds of stuff.

As to the broad point, yes its a problem. Increased power production capabilities for engineers have made it less of a problem, but it is still a problem.
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